Re: SV: SV: MD In Defense Of Socialism?

Date: Mon May 28 2001 - 16:35:35 BST

To Gerhard
>From Rog

To me, this all boils down to whether quality is for the collective of
mankind, or for the chosen few. I did read the ZAM and Lila with the ethical
idea of something like "you should do what is best for the largest group of
mankind" in my mind, and I can not say I ever had any disagreement between my
previous ideas and these two books.

I stress only that this involves value to the individual and the group. The
individual focus of the US is not only win/lose. When it is done right it is
win/win. Do what is best for me and my community and my family and the earth.

I do not agree that the poorest in US or Europe is doing quite nicely, and I
do think that there is a need for big improvement on their quality of life.
As long as capitalism is regulated, the worst incidents may be avoided, but
as US now is headed by what looks like a Donald Duck caricature controlled by
some of the largest companies in the world, I think we will see a few more
glimpse of the capitalism as it will work when the few are getting control.

So your assumptions are that America is run by corporations? You are unaware
of the immense and diverse power of competing industries/companies,
attorneys, consumers, government agencies, the president, the legislative
houses (one democrat and one republican), the media (extremely liberal),
hollywood, neighborhood groups, state regulations, the judicial branch,
environmentalists, protestors, etc. You have no idea of how powerful the
various forces are in the US. You do indeed have a Donald Duck caricature of
my country. It is nothing like you have been lead to believe. It is not
that simplistic. Let's agree that neither of us knows that much about the
other's country. That is the value of this discussion.

I'm from Stavanger, Norway, and I regard Norway, Sweeden, Germany and UK to
be runned by socialist ideas, or at least very much influenced by them. I
would agree to your term "mixed", but the Scandinavian countries are not
leaning that much towards toward free enterprise (unfortunately more and
more, in my view).

Great, I strongly support your freedom to explore such solutions to the
economic/political spectrum. I hope you support ours too.


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