Re: MD "Dynamicness"

Date: Wed Aug 04 2004 - 17:08:17 BST

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    Hi Mark,

    Now I want to ask a question. Remember this fragment from Lila:

    <<..."Does Lila have Quality?"
    Biologically she does, socially she doesn't.
    Biologically she's fine, socially she's pretty far down the scale,
    intellectually she's nowhere. But Dynamically . . .
    Ah! That's the one to watch. There's something ferociously Dynamic
    going on with her...>>

    1. Can we say that person A is more Dynamic then person B?

    Mark 4-8-04: This can be qualified because a 'person' is given quite a
    detailed description in the MOQ: A person is dominated by a combination of four
    levels of evolutionary related static patterns, Inorganic, Organic, Social and
    Intellectual, and these levels are responding to DQ at the same time.
    So, A may be more Dynamic than B depending on the relationships of these
    patterns - and this comparison is ethical. Complete Dynamicness can be quite a
    dangerous state to be in - a patterned aspect of some sort is required for

    2. Can we say that person A at a moment of time t1 is more Dynamic then
    he himself was at a moment of time t2?

    Mark 4-8-04: Yes. Our own experiences indicate this to be so.

    3. If we can, what would that mean metaphysically? Does "dynamicness"
    depend on how stable this person's static patterns are? - Or quite the
    contrary, the stableness of a person's static patterns depend on how
    Dynamic he is?

    Mark 4-8-04: That is a superb question. A fine balance must be tread between
    static safety and Dynamic growth. In the AHP93 (Association of Humanistic
    Psychology 1993) tape, Pirsig draws attention to a diagram in one of Maslow's
    books in which an existential entity is represented with an arrow either side of
    him/her. One arrow points to safety, one arrow points to growth. Pirsig feels
    we may replace safety with static quality and growth with Dynamic Quality.

    4. By what signs can we tell more Dynamic person from less Dynamic

    Mark 4-8-04: Values. If a person is dominated by biological patterns of
    values then sex and food/drugs may be a factor in their lives. A person dominated
    by social patterns of value may have celebrity status as an issue in their
    lives? These patterns can fall into chaos and negative quality, which is not to be
    confused with DQ. In my own search for some answers to these questions i
    worked on an essay called, 'The edge of chaos' which is available on the
    essay page. Perhaps you wish to take a look at it Ilya?

    Each evolutionary related stage of static quality is in conflict with others
    for domination. This may a root source of many neurotic states psychologists
    wish to understand? For example, Intellectually dominated people may have a low
    social status because they do not value social patterns?
    There exists also the possibility of harmony between them; an Intellectually
    dominated person may have a good insight into social patterns and walk a
    balanced line between these two domains?
    It would appear that a majority of neuroses result from conflicts between
    static quality domains.

    Dynamic mystical experience is something to be thought about very carefully i
    feel Iiya. This level of experience is above even the intellectual level, and
    must have been dealt with by many psychologists over the years who cannot
    have answers to their patient's questions. That may be about to change with the
    use of an MOQ perspective?
    Maintaining a static balance for the mystic would be something of an art in
    itself, as society does not have appropriate meaning for them.

    I hope this helps Iiya?
    All the best,

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