Date: Thu Aug 05 2004 - 20:25:01 BST
Vac> 4. By what signs can we tell more Dynamic person from less Dynamic
Vac> Mark 4-8-04: Values. If a person is dominated by biological patterns of
Vac> values then sex and food/drugs may be a factor in their lives. A person
Vac> by social patterns of value may have celebrity status as an issue in
Don't you make a distinction between moral (ethical) side of the
difference between these two persons (which patterns dominate which)
and the difference of DYNAMICNESS ITSELF in them? It seems strange.
Remember Lila, who was "intellectually nowhere" but VERY Dynamic at
the same time? Maybe I just didn' understand you Mark?
Mark 5-8-04: DQ cannot be described in static patterns. No static patterns
contain DQ. Lila was dominated by biological and social patterns, and her
intellectual patterns were insignificant. However, static patterns can be
exceptionally coherent and open to DQ. I think that is what Lila was at - she was on the
edge of chaos, which can either be a disaster or a mystical coherence.
Vac> These patterns can fall into chaos and negative quality, which is not
Vac> confused with DQ.
What is ontological status of chaos? How can we tell negative quality
from DQ? What is the difference?
Mark 5-8-04: Chaos is the opposite of coherence, and therefore supports the
ontological status of coherence. Coherence is exceptional harmony, unity, and
aesthetic beauty in patterned relationships. Incoherence or chaos is patterning
with poor harmonic and aesthetic unity.
DQ is that which brings either of these states into being, but there appears
to be an evolutionary push towards ever more coherent states.
Vac> In my own search for some answers to these questions i
Vac> worked on an essay called, 'The edge of chaos' which is available on the
Vac> essay page. Perhaps you wish to take a look at it Ilya?
I have read it. It is really valuable text. I'm gonna reread it and
then maybe ask you some more questions.
Mark 5-8-04: Thanks Ilya. I received allot of help in it's production. I
cannot take all the credit for it. If you can use it then you are one of the first
to do so.
Vac> Each evolutionary related stage of static quality is in conflict with
Vac> for domination. This may a root source of many neurotic states
Vac> wish to understand?
Yes, I think you are quite right.
Vac> Dynamic mystical experience is something to be thought about very
Vac> feel Ilya. This level of experience is above even the intellectual
Vac> must have been dealt with by many psychologists over the years who
Vac> have answers to their patient's questions. That may be about to change
Vac> use of an MOQ perspective?
Yes, I hope so.
Thank you for your help, Mark! I really appreciate it.
Mark 5-8-04: You are most welcome, and i wish to do all i can to help.
All the best,
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