From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Thu Aug 19 2004 - 19:48:55 BST
Hi Scott
Yes I meant SQ at the end. Your points are
reasonable. Simple is my English sense of humour
and plain speaking. I think there is one advantage
to placing DQ first and that is that it is a clean
break from materialism, and that DQ needs to
have a promotion after years of repression.
But I also like the idea that there is an underlying
unity that connects all polarities.
Regards
David M
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Roberts" <jse885@earthlink.net>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: MD Plotinus, Pirsig and Wilber
> David M,
>
> > Scott said:
> > Of course, the Plotinian has the opposite challenge of explaining how
> > the intellect can materialize...
> >
> > DM: My view on this relates to how SQ can emerge from DQ.
> > The answer is simple. DQ withdraws. DQ is creativity/change/flux.
> > When does flux end, when DQ withdraws, when instead of flux the
> > same again occurs, why does it repeat and occur again and form
> > patterns, because DQ has found value in its creativity, it has
> > looked upon itself and found itself to have beauty and value, DQ
> > falls in love with itself, DQ is captiviated by its own outpourings
> > and captures itself in its own gaze, it looks, the look is the
> > beginning of duration, what was flux is held for a moment of duration
> > and sameness, and hence DQ is born.
>
> I presume that last line should be "hence SQ is born"?
>
> Anyway, I hope you really don't think that this is simple. After all,
> aren't you using the product of all this: DQ/SQ duality, in the
> deescription, for example, with the phrase "it has looked upon itself"?
And
> "the look is the beginning of duration" is impossible: duration is a
> requirement for a look. I'm not saying this is wrong, since one must speak
> analogically, but I think it starts from an incorrect premise: that SQ is
> to be derived from DQ. In my view, they both realize themseleves in
> polarity from each other, and together in polarity with Quality.
>
> - Scott
>
>
>
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