Re: MD The individual in the MOQ

From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Tue Aug 24 2004 - 19:04:08 BST

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    Ham

    this coming together of world/language/man
    to appear within Being or Becoming is the basis
    of Heidegger's non-dualism & may help
    you to understand Pirsig, as Heidegger is seen as
    the guy who removed essentialism & dualism from post-modern
    philosophy so that we could re-think god.

    regards
    DM

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Paul Turner" <paul@turnerbc.co.uk>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 1:21 PM
    Subject: RE: MD The individual in the MOQ

    > Ham
    >
    > There is something in your post which I haven't addressed. I answered
    > the claim that the MOQ is solipsistic but not the point that you think
    > makes it solipsistic.
    >
    > Ham said:
    > Are we to accept the idea that man (whose essence is Quality) is judging
    > and acting upon a reality that is his own essence?
    >
    > Paul:
    > First, the use of the term "essence" causes me problems because it seems
    > to point to something unchanging, so when you say the "essence of man is
    > Quality," whether I agree or not depends on what you mean by "essence."
    >
    > Second, in the MOQ, man is not outside of reality judging and acting
    > upon it. Both "man" and "his reality" arise together through the
    > activity of "judgement," or evaluation i.e. Quality. This type of
    > understanding - dependent arising - is common in Eastern philosophy but
    > I hesitate to use the terms as it goes against the grain of a "western
    > mind."
    >
    > So, I think the answer to your question is that "man and his reality"
    > are indeed essentially the same, but neither has existential priority,
    > as both arise together, therefore "man's reality" is not reduced to
    > "man," or his essential self, which would be solipsism. Both are reduced
    > to something which is neither.
    >
    > More "word games," no doubt.
    >
    > Paul
    >
    >
    >
    >
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