Re: MD MoQ Tests better than Cold Logic ?

From: Ian Glendinning (ian@psybertron.org)
Date: Mon Aug 30 2004 - 18:48:50 BST

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    Platt,

    I'm aware of the Pirsig quote on Hippies, I didn't drop the Joni Mitchell
    quote in by accident did I.
    Pirsig also goes on to write a whole book on the subject after the quote you
    choose, so it's hardly his last word.

    What you are doing is ignoring the "I don't know, you tell me" statement
    preceeding the quote you mutilate.

    So how would you make a difficult decision, like the one in DMB's example
    - a "political" decision with the option to draw on apparent "scientific
    facts"

    Ian

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Platt Holden" <pholden@sc.rr.com>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>; <owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk>
    Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 1:34 PM
    Subject: Re: MD MoQ Tests better than Cold Logic ?

    > Hi Ian,
    >
    > > Better (MoQ-based) tests than cold scientific logic ?
    > > How about ...
    > >
    > > Consideration of which (MoQ) layers the current issue relates,
    > > relationships between the layers and the motivations of the actors
    > > involved. Gut feel, common sense, the opinion of someone you "trust". A
    > > good story, a good joke / aphorism / analogy / metaphor, sleep on it
    > > perhaps ... A long hard think on a lonely mountaintop, after a long hard
    > > climb in which to forget about cultural pre-conceptions ? Or the Joni
    > > Mitchell Method - "I've looked at clouds from both sides now" Or - my
    > > personal favourite - staring in wonder at a strong tidal flow of water
    for
    > > a few hours.
    > >
    > > All sounds a bit "Zen Enlightenment" that ?
    > > What a surprise, given I'm no Buddhist, nor any kind of mystic.
    > > Just "feels" right. If it (genuinely) feels good do it.
    >
    > Your advice "If it feels good, do it" reminded me of Pirsig's analysis of
    > the hippie movement of the 60s. Your objections to the "prevailing
    > paradigm" appear to me to be very much like what the flower children also
    > found objectionable:
    >
    > "Whatever the intellectuals of the twenties had fought to create, the
    > flower children of the sixties fought to destroy. Contempt for rules, for
    > material possessions, for war, for police, for science, for technology
    > were standard repertoire." (Lila, 24)
    >
    > Thanks for responding to my question.
    >
    > Platt
    >
    >
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