Re: MD MOQ and Logic/Science

From: ml (mbtlehn@ix.netcom.com)
Date: Fri Sep 03 2004 - 04:21:23 BST

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    Scott,

    Thanks for explaining what you meant.

    It seems to me however, to be backwards.
    Remembering order, recognizing pattern,
    movement, and change give us the illusion
    of a time flow as an abtraction, hence a
    dimension of length and eventually a notion
    of eternity...

    a succession of instants is an abstraction invented out
    of a created scale of relative movement. (i.e. atomic clock)

    A system of systems, a complex entity, need only store
    pattern, movement, and change ordinally of enough
    'entities or events' and the 'flow' becomes apparent
    as a perceptual model.

    --or at least that is how I perceive it in my non-time space :-)

    thanks--mel

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Scott Roberts" <jse885@earthlink.net>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 6:04 PM
    Subject: Re: MD MOQ and Logic/Science

    > Mel,
    >
    > > I am afraid that I do not see how an independent
    > > notion of time (apart from relative movement) is required.
    > > If it is I need to understand it.
    >
    > One doesn't need an independent notion of time apart from relative
    > movement. What one needs is a notion of eternity so that one can speak of
    > movement being observed, that can capture the succession of instants as a
    > movement of a continuing thing, or, alternatively, that denies that there
    > is any succession of instants in the first place. What I am getting at is
    > that if one assumes separated things and events (which we call spacetime)
    > as the basis of reality then one cannot have mind. So, I argue, the
    > separation into things and events (the creation of spacetime) is the
    > product of perception, that perception turns an eternal whatever (e.g. the
    > quantum universe) into a spatio-temporal organization.
    >
    > - Scott
    >
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