From: Ilya Korobkov (korobkov_ilya@mail.ru)
Date: Sat Sep 04 2004 - 20:06:35 BST
Hi Mark,
very interesting, really! Still, I don't understand something.
How does it happen that in our ordinary life we don't feel
ourselves as three separate entities - biological, social and
intellectual, but feel ourselves as one whole self?
It you say that the self is illusion, then I will ask, THE ILLUSION OF
WHOM?
I introduced the concept of hierarchy of dominance of patterns
to explain this problem and thought the mystery solved. But today I
suddenly thought: WHERE or IN WHOM does this hierarchy exist? If there
are no place and no one where or in whom the hierarchy exist then the
very idea of hierarchy doesn't make any sense! We are exactly where
we had started from.
Hope you will help to clear things up.
Best regards,
Ilya
Saturday, September 4, 2004, 3:27:44 AM, Mark wrote:
Vac> Mark 3-9-04: The MOQ says levels are disrete. But they do interact in two
Vac> stated ways: 1. A higher level values a lower level as that from which the
Vac> higher level escapes. 2. A higher level values a lower level as that which is
Vac> required for stability.
Vac> These interations appear to be contradictory? But, if we introduce our old
Vac> friend coherence, it may be seen that coherence is the best relationship
Vac> between freedom and stability.
Vac> Hi Ilya,
Vac> I wish to expand on the above because we are moving into an area i have been
Vac> thinking about and it intruiges me.
Vac> Allow me to restate the above points:
Vac> 1. A higher level values a lower level as that from which the higher level
Vac> escapes.
Vac> 2. A higher level values a lower level as that which is required for
Vac> stability.
Vac> 1 is a Dynamic move forward into the unknown.
Vac> 2 is a requirement for survival - without the lower level for support,
Vac> higher levels cannot survive.
Vac> There is something i wish to emphasise about these points. We may reverse
Vac> the point of view and look at this from a lower level vantage, but they are not
Vac> symmetrical. Here is what i mean:
Vac> 3. A lower level values a higher level as that from which the lower level
Vac> must protect itself.
Vac> 4. A lower level values a higher level as that which may provide stability.
Vac> 3 is search for latching.
Vac> 4 is an effort to use Dynamic advance as a way of supporting a latch.
Vac> Let us apply your example of hypnosis:
Vac> 1. A higher level values a lower level as that from which the higher level
Vac> escapes.
Vac> Nullifying biological pain frees intellectual patterns to respond to DQ
Vac> more. Try sitting an exam with toothache.
Vac> 2. A higher level values a lower level as that which is required for
Vac> stability.
Vac> Intellectual patterns involved in the exam room need a biological and social
Vac> human pattern to be there in the first place.
Vac> 3. A lower level values a higher level as that from which the lower level
Vac> must protect itself.
Vac> Toothache is a good warning sign that a life threatening illness is to be
Vac> avoided. If intellect chooses to nullify the and avoid the warning pain then
Vac> they will dissipate upon biological death.
Vac> 4. A lower level values a higher level as that which may provide stability.
Vac> Dentists are social and intellectual patterns and they cure pathalogical
Vac> biological patterns.
Vac> I'm still thinking about all this!
Vac> All the best,
Vac> Mark
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