From: Mark Steven Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Wed Nov 03 2004 - 01:15:47 GMT
Hi Rich,
Nice to hear from you, I think.
How do you reconcile Pirsig's claim that Quality exists, but that is
the only thing we can say about it, that, in all other ways it must
remain undefined, with all the things he says about it in order to
jump-start the MOQ?
I'm suggesting that what you guys see as divine guidance and
intervention is really just philosophical assumption, painted with
metaphor, for the purposes of deriving a useful metaphysics.
Thanks,
msh
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On 2 Nov 2004 at 16:15, Richard Loggins wrote:
MSH,
You are wrong and Platt is right. Pirsig SURELY means that Dynamic
Quality LITERALLY creates subjects and objects. He says it in several
places as Platt quotes from and several more he hasn't. Pirsig ain't
no poet. He'sa plain talker. Any other watered down interpertation
of his writing is horribly mistaken. Pirsig's bold strokes is what
gives his philosophy originality,power, and genius, even if that is
not completely understood. Mark, I see a similar milk toast
interpretation of Christianity coming from you - that if Jesus didn't
really raise himself from the dead it woouldn't matter much to most
Christions. This would be laughable if it weren't so belittling.
People would abandon Christianity in a few heartbeats if this was so,
and then it might morph into an organization likethe Red Cross. Its
the divine that attracts people toChristianity and its the divine
that attracts people to the MoQ. You need to go back and re-read his
books with this new perspective, for you have filtered Pirsig through
your ordinary glasses and come away with little of the intended
message. Man, you really missed it
Rich
Mark Steven Heyman <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com> wrote:
On 2 Nov 2004 at 16:08, Platt Holden wrote:
You may if you wish consider Pirsig's description so much poetic
license and thus not the way it actually happened. If so, the MOQ
would be just another bedtime story.
msh says:
I think taking him literally in this regard belittles Pirsig's
intellingence and imagination. The literal interpretation of this
part of the MOQ is the bedtime story, I'm afraid.
Best,
Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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