From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Sat Nov 06 2004 - 13:55:25 GMT
Hi
Yes, some resources we use as individuals and some
collectively, let's ditch all the overpaid middle men
and sort out the split amoungst ourselves and really
have power over the way our common resources are used.
Ditch all the money counters, weapons makers, etc.
There are people who do real work and lots of work shy
managers, politicians, entertainers, etc -these people should
all be unpaid and do it only for the honour/fun.
DM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Steven Heyman" <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 1:00 AM
Subject: Re: MD Moral values in the election and in the Bible
> Steve, Rick, Platt, Arlo...
>
> Another thing to consider...
>
> Modern Socialism is a reaction to the obvious inequities caused by a
> socio-economic system whose main premise seems to be: "It's perfectly
> ok (moral) for one person to own everything." Progressive taxation
> is one tool for undoing an injustice.
>
> My guess is... Set your system up right in the first place, maybe
> incorporating some of the Christian ideas quoted here and ideas from
> ParEcon (Participatory Economics), as well as John Rawls' Theory of
> Justice, and you'll be able to nip potential injustices in the bud.
>
> Therefore, no need for all that evil taxation....
>
>
> Just a thought,
> Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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> "Thought is only a flash between two long nights, but this flash is
> everything." -- Henri Poincare'
>
>
>
>
> On 5 Nov 2004 at 19:06, Steve Peterson wrote:
>
> Hi Rick and Platt,
>
> On socialism there is also this...
>
> The community of believers were of one heart and one mind. None of
> them ever claimed anything as his own; rather, everything was held in
> common. With power the apostles bore witness to the resurrection of
> the Lord Jesus, and great respect was paid to them all; nor was there
> anyone needy among them, for all who owned property or houses sold
> them and lay them at the feet of the apostles to be distributed to
> everyone according to his need. Acts 4:32-35
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 5, 2004, at 5:38 AM, Valence wrote:
>
>> PLATT
>>> I can find nothing in the New Testament to support your belief
> that
>>> Jesus would have employed Pontius Pilot's police or the Roman
>>> military to enforce taxes levied on the general populace as
>>> required by socialism.
>>
>> R
>> You're just not looking hard enough Platt...
>>
>> Then the Pharisees went and took counsel how to entangle Him in his
>> talk. And they sent their disciples to Him, along with the
>> Herodians, saying, "Teacher, we know that You are true, and teach
>> the way of God truthfully, and care for no man; for You do not
>> regard the position of men. Tell us, then, what You think. Is it
>> lawful to pay taxes to Caesar, or not?" But Jesus, aware of their
>> malice, said, "Why put Me to the test, you hypocrites? Show Me the
>> money for the tax." And they brought Him a coin. And Jesus said to
>> them, "Whose likeness and inscription is this?" They said,
>> "Caesar's." Then He said to them, "Render therefore to Caesar the
>> things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."
>> When they heard it, they marveled; and they left Him and went away.
>> ---Matthew 22:15-22
>>
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