From: David Morey (email@example.com)
Date: Sat Nov 06 2004 - 13:47:30 GMT
Leaving the gaps open, not covering them over,
staring into Nothing, recognising DQ, seeing the gapping holes everywhere,
shock at Being, is that not the truth of mysticism.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Glendinning" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: MD terror & religion
> From my own obviously enormous knowledge of religions :-)
> I would say "Eastern mysticism" is an oxymoron.
> Zen is Eastern, true enough, but seems neither mystical nor religious to
> Mysticism ? No way. Anything you have not yet seen or understood is simply
> matter of not yet having looked or thought enough. I'm not aware of any
> "mystical" explanations offerred to plug the gaps. Any gap in knowledge is
> simply that, a gap, an unknown, currently a mystery, but nothing
> mystical. Live with the gap until you find an answer, don't feel obliged
> plug it with either faith or rationale (unless working assumptions make
> feel comfortable, but then never forget it was just a working assumption.)
> Religion ? Philosophy yes, model or view of the world yes, but religion
> It does not require you to believe (have faith in) any axioms other than
> possibility that you might one day know something by a combination of
> observation and introspection and a respect that those who have
> and thought more may actually be wiser than yourself.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sam Norton" <email@example.com>
> To: <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 9:05 PM
> Subject: Re: MD terror & religion
>> Hi David,
>> Don't know about attacked, my feeling was exasperation more than anything
> else. The particular quote
>> that got my goat was:
>> "While Eastern mysticism has its fair share of unjustified belief, it
> undoubtedly represents
>> humankind's best attempt at fashioning a spiritual science. The methods
> introspection one finds
>> in Buddhism, for instance, have no genuine equivalents in the West. And
> the suggestion that they do
>> is born of a desperate attempt on the part of Westerners to make all
> religious traditions seem
>> equally wise. They simply aren't."
>> I just don't think that's a defensible point of view - I can't see a
> better way of describing it
>> than as a prejudice, ie an opinion formed without a full acquaintance
> the facts of the matter.
>> Not uncommon, but not worth celebrating either.
>> As for a fallible seeking of the truth, I'm with you completely.
> is the scary thing - but
>> this guy was displaying more than enough certainty for the time being. I
> think there's a very
>> interesting and fruitful discussion to be had, linking the MoQ with what
> is good in the western
>> tradition, but that can only be had when these sorts of prejudices have
> been removed. For as long as
>> they remain there will be more heat than light - and that applies to the
> bombs as well as the words.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Morey" <email@example.com>
>> To: <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 5:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: MD terror & religion
>> > Hi Sam
>> > Interesting, do you feel attacked in this interview?
>> > Can you expand upon what is misconceived by the author?
>> > Personally I put a fallible seeking of truth before religion,
>> > and fear the potential violence of those who claim to 'know'
>> > although at this time this seeking places me outside of the
>> > secular camp and its built-in incapacity to face its own inadequacies.
>> > DM
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