From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Sat Nov 06 2004 - 14:12:09 GMT
Hi
I also think Marx suggested that secular societies would
privatise the means of social control formerly exercised by religion.
DM
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From: "Mark Steven Heyman" <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 3:19 AM
Subject: Re: MD Moral values in the election and in the Bible
> On 5 Nov 2004 at 17:25, Scott Roberts wrote:
> I agree with Platt on this. The Caesar quote says nothing about
> encouraging his followers to impose taxes, just to pay them, not to
> impose law but to obey the law, and not mix up God's things with
> Caesar's. To give out of the goodness of one's heart is one thing, to
> take from the rich to give to the poor is another. It is one own's
> wealth that one is to give away, not someone else's.
>
> msh says:
> Scott, I gotta tell ya, I had to read this post three times to make
> sure it was written by the same guy with whom I've been discussing
> the relative merits of the MOQ and MOC. It is astonishing to me that
> someone so comfortable on Level IV can be so naïve or self-deluded
> about what goes on at Level III. Wealth is and always has been
> accumulated and held by VIOLENCE, through conquest followed by
> slavery, then enforced with violence as needed through various
> controlled elements of political power. We are seeing it happen at
> this instant, as American forces begin their slaughter of Iraqis in
> Falluja.
>
> I am more than confident I can defend anything I've said here, and
> will take it up with you in another thread if you like. If not,
> Dude, stick to Level IV.
>
> scott continues:
> Basically, I think Jesus would be apolitical. Work on oneself, and
> help your neighbor (who is anyone you run across that needs help),
> rather than try to fix things through politics, as in "And why
> beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest
> not the beam that is in thine own eye?" (Luke 6:41)
>
> msh says:
> The idea expressed here is precisely what Freud meant when he said
> religion is the opiate of the masses. Don't try to fix things
> through politics; the people who are running things know best: let
> them handle it. Scott, I'm gonna be depressed for the rest of the
> evening... say it ain't so.... :-(
>
> Best,
> Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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