Re: MD Moral values in the election and in the Bible

From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Sat Nov 06 2004 - 14:12:09 GMT

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    Hi

    I also think Marx suggested that secular societies would
    privatise the means of social control formerly exercised by religion.

    DM
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Mark Steven Heyman" <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 3:19 AM
    Subject: Re: MD Moral values in the election and in the Bible

    > On 5 Nov 2004 at 17:25, Scott Roberts wrote:
    > I agree with Platt on this. The Caesar quote says nothing about
    > encouraging his followers to impose taxes, just to pay them, not to
    > impose law but to obey the law, and not mix up God's things with
    > Caesar's. To give out of the goodness of one's heart is one thing, to
    > take from the rich to give to the poor is another. It is one own's
    > wealth that one is to give away, not someone else's.
    >
    > msh says:
    > Scott, I gotta tell ya, I had to read this post three times to make
    > sure it was written by the same guy with whom I've been discussing
    > the relative merits of the MOQ and MOC. It is astonishing to me that
    > someone so comfortable on Level IV can be so naïve or self-deluded
    > about what goes on at Level III. Wealth is and always has been
    > accumulated and held by VIOLENCE, through conquest followed by
    > slavery, then enforced with violence as needed through various
    > controlled elements of political power. We are seeing it happen at
    > this instant, as American forces begin their slaughter of Iraqis in
    > Falluja.
    >
    > I am more than confident I can defend anything I've said here, and
    > will take it up with you in another thread if you like. If not,
    > Dude, stick to Level IV.
    >
    > scott continues:
    > Basically, I think Jesus would be apolitical. Work on oneself, and
    > help your neighbor (who is anyone you run across that needs help),
    > rather than try to fix things through politics, as in "And why
    > beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest
    > not the beam that is in thine own eye?" (Luke 6:41)
    >
    > msh says:
    > The idea expressed here is precisely what Freud meant when he said
    > religion is the opiate of the masses. Don't try to fix things
    > through politics; the people who are running things know best: let
    > them handle it. Scott, I'm gonna be depressed for the rest of the
    > evening... say it ain't so.... :-(
    >
    > Best,
    > Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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