From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Wed Jan 22 2003 - 12:39:47 GMT
Steve, Wim, DMB:
> Steve: I wish I could say that it were obvious for me, but I have
> difficulty. I can see how rocks, plants, animals, people, and ideas fall
> neatly into the categories but what about crime, democracy, terrorism,
> communism, capitalism, dancing monkeys and others that have been debated by
> this group that seem much less obvious to me.
Call me simplistic. Crime-biological. Democracy-social. Terrorism-
biological. Communism-social. Capitalism-social. Dancing monkeys-
biological. (I'd like to see some corroboration for that monkey story.)
> >Wim said earlier:
> >"I know how to categorize patterns of values: by the way they are
> maintained/latched. (inorganic: unequal probability distributions in the
> quantum behavior of subatomic particles; biological: DNA stabilized by
> protein structures around it; social: unconscious copying of behavior;
> intellectual: conscious motivation/justification of actions in a way that
> is acceptable to others). I can categorize values indirectly by
> interpreting them as the value of maintaining a pattern of values of one of
> these types (i.e. as static quality) or as the value of changing a pattern
> of values away from disintegration (i.e. as Dynamic Quality)."
>
> The above is the formulation that DMB called, "so confusing, so wrong, and
> so bizarre that I'd hardly know where to begin to untangle it. "
I agree it's confusing, but I'm not prepared to say it's wrong just because
I don't understand it. I disagree when Wim says the intellectual level has
to be "acceptable to others." As soon as you bring in "others" you're
into social level patterns.
Platt
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