From: Sam Norton (elizaphanian@kohath.wanadoo.co.uk)
Date: Tue Nov 09 2004 - 12:07:31 GMT
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From: "Sam Norton" <elizaphanian@kohath.wanadoo.co.uk>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: MD terror & religion
> Hi DMB,
>
> > dmb sez:
> > Yes, I very much liked that "ill-informed diatribe". Harris asserted some of
> > the most central points that I've been making here in recent weeks. It was
> > like hearing an echo. (You really should stop characterizing everyone who
> > disagrees with you as ignorant and bigoted.)
>
> As a matter of fact, I don't. There are lots of people here who disagree with me, but their points
> of view tend to be both well-informed and open-minded. For as long as your point of view doesn't
> qualify under those headings, I will continue to tease you about it ;-)
>
> > Sam explained:
> > These sorts of thinkers, so it seems to me, are merely replicating the
> > 'hippy' problem that Pirsig talks about - they are cutting out the ground
> > from under their feet. Wherever we end up, it will have to be an ideology
> > that affirms elements of the social level, otherwise we truly are doomed.
> >
> > dmb says:
> > Right. Harris is a hippy. The interview made it clear that he was all into
> > tuning in, dropping out, free love and organic farming. Again, Sam, I think
> > you're being quite ridiculous. Harris is not confused about the distinction
> > between biology and the mystical, as Pirsig describes the hippy failure. He
> > is not rejecting social and intellectual patterns either.
>
> You didn't pick up that the word hippy had quotes around it. The point was not to do with free
love
> but the necessity of the social level where I think Harris - and you in so far as you share his
> perspective - have a problem.
>
> Tell you what, as it seems to me that the perennial philosophy etc is virtually solipsistic and
akin
> to spiritual masturbation, why don't you outline how it does support the social level? I don't
think
> that it is capable of supporting the social level, but I'm happy to concede that you know more
about
> it than me. So how does it do so?
>
> Sam
>
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