Re: MD Pirsig an artist - MoQ & love

From: Dan Glover (daneglover@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri Jan 24 2003 - 13:11:22 GMT

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    Hello everyone

    >From: "Willy" <willy@rodo.nl>
    >Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    >To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    >Subject: MD Pirsig an artist - MoQ & love
    >Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:41:52 +0100
    >
    >Hi,
    >
    >I read both Pirsig's books thoroughly and at the end of Lila I realised
    >that Pirsig never ever mentions love. Now that's OK with me actually,
    >but I believe that until now every artist has been acting around the
    >theme 'Love'. Singers sing about it, artists paint it, poets write about
    >it, etc.
    >
    >Does Pirsig not ever mention love?

    Hi Willy

    Lila, Bantam paperback, page 330 -- "If you really love people they'll kill
    you for it. You have to hate them and then *pretend* you love them."

    This quote builds to RMP's karmic discussions later in the book, his
    mention of Jesus, Lincoln, and Ghandi (who it might be said all died for
    love).

    >Are you an artist if you never mention love?

    Can a person be an artist and not love their art?

    >I believe Pirsig is an artist. What is the solution?
    >
    >My question is not really whether or not Pirsig is an artist (maybe he
    >isn't, the definition of artist is not the point here) but how love fits
    >in the MoQ and what role it plays there.
    >
    >Some theses:
    >- love equals quality *first dynamic, then static*
    >- love is imagination, is not a value (or is this too subject-object
    >orientated?)
    >- love is like a person's free will; you believe in it but it doesn't
    >exist. You call it love and you find reasons for it but actually it's
    >just hormones and a simplistic pattern of biological value and I am
    >really overreacting on this.
    >
    >Who else has theses?

    In my opinion, like Dynamic Quality, love cannot be defined, so there is
    little use in analyzing it. Love just is.

    Dan

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