From: Mark Steven Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Wed Nov 17 2004 - 02:34:28 GMT
Hi Mel,
Thanks for the concise history of warfare.
On 16 Nov 2004 at 9:13, mel wrote:
DO understand the stakes they perceived at the
time: Survival or Complete Extinction of their
very existence. Liberal Democratic forms of
government or Totalitarian Dominance.
msh says:
I do understand the stakes, which is why I am unwilling to say that
the fire-bombing of Dresden, the nuclear bombing of Japan, were 100%
indefensible. There is no way I or any sane person would have wanted
the Allied powers to be defeated in that war. However, I do not
believe that these deliberate terrorist displays (which is what they
were) were necessary to win the war; but I concede that there is
respectable argument for the opposing view.
mel:
Americans are inherently and surprisingly
isolationist even to this day, as individuals,
but in a century or more of time we have
seen that folks left alone in other parts of
the world get up to significant mischief.
Our lesson learned (right or wrong) is to
kill, cripple, derail, or buy-off mischief
makers early in their cycle of ambition and
expend fewer lives of our young later.
msh says:
This is American mythology, right off the rack; but it is an idea I'm
interested in. I don't want to spend a lot of time pursuing it if
you are unwilling to clearly state your position. Is it your
position that the USG does not and has not murderously intervened in
the affairs of other sovereign nations unless they perceive some
significant threat to the citizens of the United States? If this is
not what you mean, will you clearly state what you mean, giving some
examples of what you would call significant mischief?
If you choose not to clearly state your position, and the meaning of
your terms, then there is no need to reply.
Thanks,
Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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