From: Scott Roberts (jse885@earthlink.net)
Date: Mon Nov 22 2004 - 03:05:28 GMT
Platt,
> > Division is an inherent part of reality, not just of language and
thought.
> > If there was no division there would be no experience at all. Nirvana is
> > samsara. The idea that experience before we think about it is undivided
is
> > absurd. If there is anything at all, there is division. If a baby
> > experiences the dharmakaya light, isn't there a baby, without which
there
> > would be no experience of the dharmakaya light?
>
> Need I point out that babies and lights and "anything" are words and
> thoughts? It seems you're saying without language and thoughts there
would
> be no experience and no reality, a dubious proposition unless one
believes
> the universe began with the first experiencing human being. Surely there
> is something without the divisions we find necessary in order to describe
> our experiences.
>
> Where have I gone wrong in interpreting what you say?
First, I am overall saying two things that need to be distinguished. Let us
first keep the words 'language' and 'thought' as meaning human language and
thought. With this restriction, no, I am of course not saying that without
language and thought there would be no experience and no reality. I am
saying that with no division, or distinction, or differentiation there
would be no experience and no reality. There is no DQ without SQ, and SQ
*is* SQ by not being "everything".
The second thing I have been saying, though not so much in this thread, is
that I think that Quality creates *by* distinguishing, and so I think that
human language and thought, which also creates by distinguishing, is
Quality writ small, that the human intellectual level is not just another
level of SQ, but DQ/SQ interaction, of a limited and finite sort.
- Scott
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