From: Valence (valence10@hotmail.com)
Date: Mon Jan 27 2003 - 18:23:26 GMT
Hey John and Matthew,
> >RICK
> > So what would be the difference between saying "B *values*
precondition
> >A" and "B *loves* precondition A"? To me it sounds though the difference
> is
> >one of intensity. Maybe "love" is the label applied to the relationships
> >with the patterns we value most intensely.
JOHN
> Right! I remember this part, he was saying that "A causes B" is "B values
> precondition A", and I agree "love" fits in here very well, virtually
> synonomously.
RICK
Actually John, I was trying to avoid using 'love' synonymously with value by
calling it a 'species' of value. I'm trying to differentiate 'love' by its
intensity. All loves are a species of value, but all values do not rise to
the level of love. (ie. I value my shoes. I love my freedom). Without
such a differentiation Matthew would be correct when he writes:
MATTHEW
If love is synonymous with value, why use the term love at all? And
asserting this synonimity doesn't really go far towards explaining how love,
as
human phenomenon (whether social or biological) fits into the MoQ.
RICK
This "over-synonym-ization" of words is something I'm very sensitive to.
I tend to think that in most cases where two words are 'revealed' to be
synonymous in meaning, what's really happening is that one one of the words
is being deprived of its meaning. This is an offense I've accused Pirsig of
in the past with his Quality=Good=Morality=Value equation; Far be it from me
to try and add 'love' on as well. So I differentiate 'love' as the most
intensely held values.
Now that you can see how the words are not being used synonyms, we can
see how it fits into the MOQ at ALL levels (not just social or biological).
MATTHEW
It only explains love as in'loving', as a verb, not as the noun form that
John Lennon sang about.
RICK
It was my impression that the "noun form" of love that John Lennon sang
about was the "brotherly love" or "comradery" of the social level. No?
thanks for your comments,
rick
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