From: john williams (ducati900@bigpond.com)
Date: Sun Feb 02 2003 - 12:10:14 GMT
Dave
Here here
John from The Rock
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Buchanan" <DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 11:28 AM
Subject: RE: MD The Quality of removing Saddam Hussein from power.
> Sam, Wim and all:
>
> Sam wrote:
> What sort of pattern does Hussein represent? He is a fascist dictator -
> therefore the leader of a social pattern of value (the Iraqi nation); yet
> clearly his underlying motivation is biological, in quite a specific way:
> the preservation of the Takriti clan and their control of the resources of
> Iraq. So we have a social pattern controlled by biological values.
>
> DMB says:
> How do you figure? The pursuit of wealth and power are social level
values,
> not biological. Surely this includes the control of oil and the
preservation
> of a tribe's dominance. I think you've confused vice crimes with other
kinds
> of crimes. There are different kinds of crimes because there are different
> kinds of laws. Intellectual property theft, for example, is not in the
same
> class as vice crimes like prostitution or drug abuse. See? But the Iraqi
> leader is quite the fascist. We certainly agree on that.
>
> Sam wrote:
> So: to the present context. The United Nations has the formal (not often
> substantial) role of world policeman - the soldier with his gun on which
the
> continued existence of the community of nations depends.
>
> DMB says:
> This is your biggest mistake. Calling the UN a "world policeman" does not
> turn that organization into a vice cop. The UN represents intellectual
> control of society. Vice cops are social and they keep biology at bay, but
> the UN keeps nations at bay. International organizations and agreements
are
> supposed to keep the Giant from its usual acts of exploitation and
genocide.
> This is a HUGE difference. This mistake has led to some extremely dubious
> conclusions.
>
> Sam wrote:
> I never thought that I'd sound like a conservative columnist, but that
seems
> to me the fundamental issue.
>
> DMB says:
> It would surprise me if a priest and a conservative columnist DID NOT
sound
> alike. Sorry if that offends you, but its only consistent with what the
MOQ
> would predict and so it seems worth pointing out.
>
> Don't forget that Bush involved the UN only very reluctantly and keeps on
> saying that he'd be quite willing to go to war inspite of what the UN
says.
> He's thumbed his nose at every international organization, treaty and law
> that has come near him. He supported the attempted coup in Venezula just
> last April and pretty clearly did so because he cares more about their oil
> than their constitution or their democracy. His foreign policies only make
> sense in terms of oil. And don't forget that Bush has under his control
more
> weapons of mass destruction than anyone in the world, by far. Watching him
> guide the USA is like watching a ten year old child drive a gasoline truck
> down the side of a mountian. I think his policies are extremely dangerous,
> and because he's so much closer and has so much more power, he scares me
> more than even Sodamn Insane.
>
>
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