From: Wim Nusselder (wim.nusselder@antenna.nl)
Date: Wed Jun 01 2005 - 05:21:10 BST
Dear Platt,
Thanks for your Pirsig quote:
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 10:30 PM
> "Value goes behind consciousness. It exists where there is no intellectual
> consciousness, and analysis of it" (referring to intellectual
> consciousness) "shows that it essentially involves the subject-object
> relationship. In primitive consciousness subject and object are virtually
> or confusedly present. In the pre-intellectual consciousness of an infant
> value is present and there are no subjects and objects " (parens added)
I read this as follows:
Intellectual consciousness NOW essentially involves the subject-object
relationship. In primitive INTELLECTUAL consciousness subject and object are
virtually or confusedly present.
You may remember that I suggested before that the intellectual level
comprises at least two alternative types of (intellectual) consciousness:
subject-subject thinking (primitive consciousness) and subject-object
thinking (modern consciousness). To be added (we hope) of course: Quality
consciousness... Another elements of the intellectual level may be spiritual
and/or aesthetic consciousness.
Bo is of course right that subject-object thinking is the largest and most
relevant part of the intellectual level, but I don't think that it is right
to define the intellectual level as subject-object level (SOL).
With friendly greetings,
Wim
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