From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Sun Jun 05 2005 - 13:56:27 BST
Scott,
> Platt said:
> Whether it's SO(1) or SO(2) seems irrelevant to me since both are static
> subject-object intellectual patterns. As I interpret the MOQ, all thoughts
> are static intellectual patterns that emerge after primary value
> experience.
> Scott:
> Yes, a thought is a static intellectual pattern, once it is observed
> (becomes O[2]). But what is it while it is being thought?
I don't understand the question. It's like a child's question, "What was I
before I was born?" In the S/O world, objects don't exist prior to being
recognized by a subject as objects. In fact, in the S/O world, if an
object isn't named it doesn't exist.
> Platt said:
> Contrary to what you've suggested previously, in writing our posts we're
> not responding to DQ -- we're merely manipulating static language symbols
> and meaning patterns stored in memory. People like Van Gogh, Einstein and
> Pirsig responded to DQ.
> Scott:
> If that's what you believe, then you can be replaced by a machine. What you
> are overlooking is the supreme mystery hidden within the word
> "manipulating", and the mystery you sweep under the rug by the phrase
> "stored in memory". This vocabulary falls apart once one actually
> investigates language and memory.
A machine cannot tell truth from falsehood. In other words, machines do
not recognize values. Meanings are beyond the capacity of computers.
> Platt said:
> Finally, the question of who or what experiences value presupposes the
> static S/O split which comes only after the unity of Quality. As William
> James pointed out, "This page (post) and the seeing of it are one
> indivisible fact." In truth what you value is actually a union of you-
> valuing Of course, to express it, we must divide it. Intellect is divisive
> from the get go.
> Scott:
> I would agree if the "static S/O split" you refer to is SO[1]. My point is
> that the SO[2] is not a static one. Intellect is indeed divisive from the
> get-go, but it is also unifying from that same get-go. That is how all
> creation works. Hence Intellect is Quality.
The unifying you speak of is "meaning." While it's true that intellect
makes patterns that make for meaning, Quality comes prior to pattern-
making of any kind.
Platt
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