RE: MD Clearing up this intellectual mess

From: Paul Turner (paul@turnerbc.co.uk)
Date: Mon Jun 27 2005 - 21:05:31 BST

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    Bo,

    --- OK, ZMM's SOM=LILA's intellectual level Pirsig never affirms,
    --- but the evidence is overwhelming. He sometimes speaks about
    --- an intellect per se, but it never takes off and when railing against
    --- science he is really railing against intellect's objective half. And
    --- here is the source of all ills. The MOQ rejects SOM, but in LILA
    --- it's only its "objective over subjective" component which is
    --- attacked, its "subjective over objective" part is almost forgotten.
    --- Had Pirsig stressed this the SOL would have been superfluous.

    Paul: It is the epistemological use of the terms subjective and objective
    that Pirsig dispenses with i.e., they are no good for describing types of
    knowledge. So both "objective over subjective" and "subjective over
    objective" become epistemologically meaningless at the same time. This
    dismantles the appearance/reality distinction which underlies all forms of
    SOM, so with it goes the bad metaphysical side. The subject/object
    distinction then serves to usefully and broadly distinguish between
    different types of static values we may describe but does nothing whatsoever
    to suggest any differences in proximity to "reality."

    So what could it possibly mean to bemoan that, according to the "standard
    MOQ," one's ideas are mental and subjective? That would be like bemoaning
    that, according to the "standard MOQ," all rocks are physically hard
    objects.

    Regards

    Paul

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