From: Michael Hamilton (thethemichael@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Jun 29 2005 - 18:19:58 BST
Hello Reiner, and welcome (although I'm almost a newcomer myself -
have only been on the list for a couple of months).
My view is that the concept of geometric space can and should be
retained. We may have replaced "substance" with "inorganic patterns of
value", but this doesn't mean abandoning commonly undertood concepts
such as "space". In the MOQ, extension in space is simply a property
of inorganic and biological patterns of value.
What we can and should abandon is the idea that _only_ things that are
extended in space are real. Space is a useful concept, and I don't see
what is to be gained from abandoning it completely.
The question of time in the MOQ seems somewhat different, because
"time" (as the word is commonly understood) seems to be bound up with
_all_ value, and can't be confined to the inorganic and biological
levels. It also seems to have a great deal to do with dynamic quality.
I brought up this subject recently, and Ant was kind enough to send me
the appendix from his degree thesis, that attempts to relate time to
the MOQ. I'll pass it on to you.
Regards,
Mike
On 6/29/05, platootje@netscape.net <platootje@netscape.net> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> This is my first post to this mailing list. A brief introduction of myself: My name is Reinier, I live in the Netherlands. I have read ZMM last year, I've just finished Lila and I'm now reading Lila's daughter. This is a strange experience, to be able to join a discussion group that I'm actually reading a book about/from.
>
> Anyway, here goes with my first post, and I don't know if this subject's been posted before. I haven't seen it, but then again, there's a lot I haven't seen.
>
> Pirsig states that everything is quality. The MOQ is all about quality and nothing about substance. If we totally abandon SOM (and I'm all for that) what would be the consequence for space, and I mean geometric space? I've come to the conclusion that geometric space cannot exist because of contradictions even in SOM itself. (I'll explain those if necessary) But from the MOQ point of view there isn't even a need for geometric space, because there is no substance to take up space.
>
> I have the same feelings about 'time' but I'll go into that later.
>
> Best regards,
> Reinier.
>
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