From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Wed Jul 06 2005 - 13:16:19 BST
> Hi Mark M,
>
> Does this mean I can own land, food, shelter,
> clothing, car, computer,
> furniture, TV, telephone, etc.,etc? Or are all these
> things I claim as
> belonging to me "theft?" Of course like everybody else
> I believe that
> I'm
> "good at" using all the things I have.
>
> Mark 5-7-05:
> Hello Platt, Everyone could be excellent with land
> because the land is a mutually rewarding relationship
> we call the biosphere. Native Americans did not think
> they owned the land for similar reasons.
> So, if someone abuses the biosphere they are abusing
> everyone's excellence with it. Ownership of land seems
> to encourage this in my view.
Hi Mark M:
Please explain how ownership of land encourages abuse of the biosphere.
> Food is part of the biosphere also, so everyone should
> have enough to eat as a Human right. We may extend
> this to clothing?
> This can be accomodated by the instigation of
> appropriate social static patterns.
What social static patterns would you suggest we instigate?
> TV's telephones and computers are modes of
> communication, and that is for social and intellectual
> patterns. Therefore, in a civilized society all
> communication of intellectual patterns should also be
> a Human right. Everyone should enjoy a mutualy
> rewarding relationship with these modes of
> communication.
> However, these modes are alos owned and that ownership
> is a higher negation of freedom for everyone as is the
> ownership of land.
So my owning a computer prevents my neighbor from owning a computer?
Please explain how that's so.
> Platt:
> Now we're getting somewhere. Now you say, like Pirsig,
> that I am unique
> patters of value, not just a happening. Would you
> agree that some of
> those
> "patterns" never change, like my fingerprints and DNA?
>
> Mark 5-7-05:
> Everything changes Platt except DQ.
> Even fingerprints and DNA change.
> Because the latter change very slowly, you think you
> are correct to state they do not change at all.
If everything changes then your idea that everything changes except DQ
must also change.
Best,
Platt
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