From: ian glendinning (psybertron@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Aug 24 2005 - 11:24:03 BST
Sam,
I completely support the "What doesn't destroy makes stronger line"
and would add that (whatever the motives and other outcomes) parody is
a perfectly valid contribution to any debate.
But for the record, I don't see MoQ as anything like a cult or a
religion - if I did I'd be off like a shot. Struan's use of the word
"salvation" is ironic. And I don't see Platt's behaviour and responses
to it having anything to do with the social intellectual debate about
the MoQ in this parody.
Ian
On 8/24/05, Sam Norton <elizaphanian@kohath.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Andy,
>
> It's worth also linking to this (hat tip to Matt Kundert):
> http://www.drizzle.com/~jwalsh/sokal/articles/fish-oped.html which says most
> of what needs to be said.
>
> I said to Matt that "If the MoQ has any long term worth it will come out of
> this immeasurably strengthened (what doesn't kill you makes you stronger,
> especially if it's only the egoes which die). But if the MoQ is as facile as
> Glenn/Struan allege, then it deserves to go puff in a burst of ridicule."
>
> For what it's worth, this does strike me as confirmation of what I said in
> my 'Why Platt must stay' post:
>
> "Where I find this process most disturbing is that it is predicated
> precisely on the MD forum being a social pattern. It is one that would
> produce a hierarchy of understanding - a Prophet; a high priest; sacred
> texts; acceptable interpretations"
>
> or as Struan put it:
> "SOM stands for Subject Object Metaphysics, a pejorative term used to
> describe anyone who has not yet found salvation in the MOQ"
>
> For all the antagonism towards religion, it's remarkable how much like a
> 'cult' the MoQ has become. To that extent, all credit to Struan and Glenn
> for exposing it, however mixed and dishonourable their motives.
>
> Sam
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Bahn" <apbahn@gmail.com>
> To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:28 PM
> Subject: MD The MOQ conference hoax
>
>
> Greetings discussion members,
> It looks like Anthony and others are aware that they were the victims of a
> hoax at the MOQ conference. The acknowledgements for Richard Loggins paper
> have been changed to thank Struan Hellier and the picture of Glenn's posing
> as a Hunter S. Thompson look-a-like has been changed to someone else
> (Richard Loggins?). However, the paper stands as is. hmmm? We are all
> waiting for an explanation from Anthony and the rest of the psychedelic
> clique. For people who have been around moq_discuss, an acknowledgement for
> Struan by someone who has submitted a paper praising the MOQ and Pirsig
> should arouse suspicions. I am not condoning the hoax, but what is done is
> done. Now, It would be nice to hear an explanation. Pray tell Anthony...
> DMB...or anyone else. Is the back patting still going on? Was the conference
> still a success in light of this hoax.
> If you haven't seen it yet, it is worth taking a look.
>
> http://www.shellier.co.uk/moq.htm
>
> or
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~moq/moralGenius.html
>
>
>
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