From: Platt Holden (email@example.com)
Date: Thu Sep 01 2005 - 23:31:23 BST
You seem to think that the issue of the individual vs. the collective has
been settled in favor of a notion that both are morally equal. Not so.
Intellectual patterns take precedence over social patterns in Pirsig's
moral hierarchy, and intellect is not something society has. Only
individuals have intellect -- or intellect has individuals if you prefer.
If there's a thorn in anybody's side it's in yours because your Marxist
collectivist views are not supported by the MOQ.
> [Ham wrote]
> >At the same time (and at least as important to me) there is a need to
> >establish the role of the "individual" in the Quality thesis. I'm
> >constantly troubled by the assertions made here that individuality is of
> >minor consequence, that conscious awareness arises as a byproduct of
> >Nature's evolution to higher levels of complexity, that the individual
> >self is a meaningless abstraction whose choices and will to act are mere
> >reflections of the "intellectual culture" from which it emerges. This
> >reminds me of Sartre's thoughtless comment that "man is 'unnecessary'
> >...the world exists just as well without him."
> This type of "crisis" appears to only be a "crisis" for someone who can't
> accept that Randian Individualism has no place in the MOQ. There have been
> several threads on this topic, including one where I tried to demonstrate
> that the symbiotic-dialectic between the "individual" and the "collective"
> does not place precedence of one over the other, but this does not equate
> to the "devaluation of the individual" decried by the Ayn Rand crowd (see
> MD: Intellect as Consciousness, and MD Collective Consciousness).
> That said, the reason (perhaps) that no one is rushing in to solve the
> "problem of the individual in the MOQ" is that only Randians see a problem
> here. In other words, its not a crisis, just a thorn in the side of the
> Stand Alone Genius mythologists. :-)
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