RE: MD Two Theses in the MOQ

From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Tue Nov 15 2005 - 17:30:01 GMT

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    Hi Paul, Dan, Group::

    Paul's "Two Theses" gets confusing. For example:

    Paul:
    > >So, as with all knowledge according to this thesis, the intellectual
    > >pattern of the MOQ is itself generated by a procession of value
    > >judgements, which leads us to thesis (2).

    I translate this as: First, DQ produces value judgments, then value
    judgments produce intellectual patterns. It's a two step process.

    So far so good. This goes along with DQ being pre-intellectual, pre-
    conceptual, pre-idea. But then, Paul writes:

    Paul:
    > > In this
    > >chapter we see a transition from the Dynamic Quality that *produces*
    > >intellectual value judgments to the explanations that are the *result* of
    > >those value judgments

    Now we learn that DQ produces more than value judgments. It produces
    INTELLECTUAL value judgments. The difference between plain old value
    judgments and intellectual value judgments isn't explained. Further, these
    intellectual value judgments produce not intellectual patterns but
    "explanations."

    A bit further on, Paul introduces something new -- "ideas."

    Paul
    > >"The [first thesis of the] MOQ says that Quality comes first, which
    > >produces ideas, which produce what we know as matter..

    I thought Quality (DQ) produced value judgments, not ideas. I thought
    ideas came later and that they are also known as intellectual patterns
    and/or explanations.

    Finally, Paul writes:

    Paul
    > >Secondly, the term 'pre-intellectual', which is mostly used within the
    > >context of thesis (1), could be modified to 'pre-static' (i.e. the
    > >experience of indeterminate value prior to its contextualisation into any
    > >static patterns) when used within the context of thesis (2) so as not to
    > >erroneously relate Dynamic Quality solely to the intellectual level.

    Here we seem to be back to "DQ produces value judgments" although
    "indeterminate value" suggest no value judgments (quality decisions) have
    occurred. "Contextualization into any static patterns" seems to be a fancy
    way of saying intellectual patterns, but I'm not sure.

    So from my point of view, rather than clarifying differences between ZMM
    and Lila, I'm more confused.

    Questions left hanging are:

    Do value judgments occur on a sliding scale from good to awful?
    Are value judgments ideas or feelings?
    Are ideas intellectual patterns?
    Is there anything intellectual about value judgments?
    Do explanations always consist of intellectual patterns?
    Are intellectual patterns always "contextualized?" If so, how?
    Does "contextualize" mean that intellectual patterns are always relative?
    Can an intellectual pattern be Dynamic?

    Platt
       

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