From: hampday@earthlink.net
Date: Tue Nov 01 2005 - 03:31:28 GMT
Michael --
You and I got off to a bad start some time ago, but whatever our argument,
it pales in the light of your new breakthrough with regard to subjectivity.
I'm curious as to how you've arrived at this conclusion. Was it by simply
pouring over the ideas expressed here by Arlo, Ian, Mark, Case, David, et
al, or was Barfield or some other source the triggering element?
As you know, I've long been trying to persuade the MoQers that it's a
mistake to dismiss subjectivity in their zeal to abolish SOM. The notion
that intellect and intelligence occupy some esthetic domain independent of
the thinking individual has been my major hangup with Pirsig's metaphysics.
It not only defies common sense but is contrary to anything I've seen in
classical philosophy. Nor do I believe that such a bizarre epistemology is
necessary to support the Quality concept.
Since you've asked for opinions, I'm in agreement that existence is
fundamentally awareness of an 'other', the specific nature and values of
which are proprietary to the cognizant self. I think we can agree that this
is an empirical truth. The 'cosmic divide' relates insentient otherness to
subjective consciousness by way of individual experience. As you pointed
out, "the subject/object divide is fundamental to what we are."
What remains to be known, from my perspective, is how you account for this
fundamental division. In other words, is this duality your essential
reality, or do you see it as derived from a primary (uncreated) source?
That question is what led me to initiate the "Looking for the Primary
Difference" thread which, now that Reinier has withdrawn from active
participation, has been left hanging. Is this question of any interest to
you, or are you content to focus right now on recruiting some support for
subjectivity?
I think you've taken a significant step toward correcting a misconception of
the MoQ, and will be most interested in following your progress from here.
Thanks, Mike.
Essentially yours,
Ham
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