Re: MD Two Theses in the MOQ

From: David M (davidint@blueyonder.co.uk)
Date: Sun Nov 20 2005 - 19:54:16 GMT

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    Hi Paul

    When I refer to the being of human being it is that common
    structure that allows us to experience as we do, levels of SQ
    in a constant DQ evolution or, if we are old or unlucky, devolution.

    David M

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Paul Turner" <paul@turnerbc.co.uk>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 11:06 AM
    Subject: RE: MD Two Theses in the MOQ

    > David M,
    >
    >>This is very helpful indeed. I have always taken
    >>there as being 2 theses. I hope everyone reads this
    >>very carefully and has a good think about it.I have
    >>no doubt there is this split, you cannot avoid it if
    >>you come from a background strongly influenced
    >>by continental philosophy and idealism. Have you expressed
    >>it exactly right? Probably not but pretty close and a fine start.
    >>You could say that thesis 1 is about describing experience
    >>without bias, much like Husserl's phenomenological
    >>reduction. To put aside notions of objectivity and things
    >>to look honestly at experience as it is, making experience
    >>the ontological basis of being. In the context of the ontology
    >>and epistemology of thesis 1, Pirsig moves on to see how
    >>we can get to an 'idea' of the 'world' (something you cannot
    >>simply experience without building up concepts). This
    >>is then a dialectic of concepts and the SQ these concepts
    >>allow us to set out, and thesis 2 is a historical cosmology
    >>and the levels are stages in this.
    >>
    >>Also, regarding thesis 1, with its DQ and sequence of values,
    >>is it not fair to suggest via thesis 2, that the prepostulation
    >>values of DQ are based in our being embodied beings, so
    >>that rather than perception we are affected by all other
    >>bodies, we are feeling being rather than knowing beings.
    >>We notice that which affects us, what we mean by notice
    >>is that we are changed by everything we encounter, reality
    >>is the encounter, and it is all forms of change, changes to
    >>our being, for good or bad.
    >
    > Thanks for the positive feedback. You'd have to elaborate on what you
    > mean
    > by 'being' before I could answer the last bit. It'll be a week or so
    > before
    > I'm back if you want to do that?
    >
    > Regards
    >
    > Paul
    >
    >
    >
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