Re: MD Language, SOM, and the MoQ

From: David M (davidint@blueyonder.co.uk)
Date: Sun Nov 20 2005 - 21:02:38 GMT

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    Marsha

    Is filter a good metaphor?
    Do not the different grids we
    apply to experience add a wealth
    of differences that un-conceptualised we
    could not experience?

    DM

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "MarshaV" <marshalz@charter.net>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:49 AM
    Subject: Re: MD Language, SOM, and the MoQ

    >
    > Hi Matt,
    >
    > I am going to add my puzzlement to this post.
    >
    > It seems to me there are two realities experienced by humans. One is a
    > reality without interpretation, without a gap, and another reality which
    > is filtered through human ideas. Since the first is without
    > interpretation and because this list is devoted to MOQ, I'll label it
    > Dynamic Quality. If I were forced to further label DQ, I would call it
    > All, No-thing-ness or direct experience sans intellect.
    >
    > I don't really understand you distinction between "pre-intellectual
    > experience" and "non-intellectual experience". What is your point?
    >
    > The second reality would be experiences filtered through preconceived
    > ideas about reality. For example, I am reading the book ' The Passion of
    > the Western Mind: Understanding the Ideas that Have Shaped Our World
    > View', by Richard Tarnas. To me the subject of this book can just as well
    > be described as the history of Western filtered reality. It represents
    > the major filters (religion, science, philosophy) through which experience
    > has been defined. This second type of reality falls into the category of
    > static quality. While such a history can tell us something (through
    > hindsight) about past interpretations of reality, it cannot tell us about
    > the filters that influence our interpretation of reality today.
    >
    > Whether 'pre-intellect experience', or 'non-intellect experience', doesn't
    > this direct experience represent, even if it's just a momentary
    > experience, the Reality from which all static quality (filters) are
    > created and destroyed.
    >
    > Where am I off the philosophical mark? Am I way out there in LaLa
    > (New-Age) land?
    >
    > Marsha
    >
    >
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