Re: MD Changes

From: Elizaphanian (elizaphanian@tiscali.co.uk)
Date: Wed Mar 12 2003 - 14:46:52 GMT

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    Hi Steve,

    > Steve:
    > Also generally pro "gay rights." I'm not against gay marriage.
    >
    > I disagree that part of the purpose of marriage is necessarily
    childrearing
    > (The issue of gay couple adoptions could be raised here).

    That was actually my point, but perhaps it didn't come across very clearly,
    so a restatement: historically, society had an interest in controlling
    reproduction, for both obvious reasons (socialisation best accomplished by
    being raised in a stable family) and also patriarchal/property reasons (so
    adultery was only a stricture against women - mostly). I think that this
    primitive justification for social involvement (ie, in MoQ terms, social
    level controlling biology) has broken up somewhat, for two reasons. One is
    the impact of universally available and reliable contraception, so that
    fertility is now under conscious control. The second is the increased
    emphasis upon the relationship between the two parties to the marriage, so
    that sexuality is an expression of the quality of the relationship.

    The practical result of these changes is that the direct link between
    sexuality and reproduction has been sundered. So whereas the social level
    previously exercised its legitimate control of socialising children through
    a control of sexuality, that is no longer necessary. The social level needs
    to focus explicitly on the question of child rearing and can afford to
    ignore the wider questions of sexuality, to a large extent.

    So with regard to 'marriage' it seems we need to make a distinction between
    a partnership established for the mutual love, pleasure, spiritual growth
    etc of the two parties concerned (with no view to raising children) and one
    established for those reasons but also with a view to conceiving and raising
    children. Let us distinguish between 'mating' and 'reproducing'.

    I see no problem at all in making the legal or religious status of the
    former blind to questions of sexuality. Whether that is called 'marriage' or
    not is beside the point.

    However, where I am still thinking things through is whether the same can be
    said for the latter. I suspect that it can, in the end, I just haven't got
    there yet with my thinking. Hence I'm 'ambivalent' on the question.

    Sam

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