From: Elizaphanian (elizaphanian@tiscali.co.uk)
Date: Tue Apr 22 2003 - 10:39:19 BST
Hi Wim, DMB,
Wim to DMB:
> I agree if I may ad at the end of the first sentence: 'and its
> practical/moral consequences'. Mystical experience that doesn't change how
> people behave or act is not credible to me.
I agree with this wholeheartedly. I would say this means that mystical
experience has to be evaluated, and that evaluation is done by a (religious)
tradition, ie a pattern of SQ that has proved its worth (including a
potential to remain open to DQ insights). Practial/moral consequences are
those things which a particular community has held to be valuable
previously, and those are the things which allow the community to determine
whether a particular person's experiences count as religious or as
delusional. That doesn't mean that the community is immune to making
mistakes (especially if there are questions of social authority involved)
but I don't think that you can have DQ without SQ; it's a dialectic. This is
why I think you cannot get away from a religious tradition; it's the only
thing that prevents the mystical quest becoming a voyage up our own
fundaments.
Sam
"When we speak of God we do not know what we are talking about. We are
simply using language from the familiar context in which we understand it
and using it to point, beyond what we understand, into the mystery that
surrounds and sustains the world we do partially understand" (Herbert
McCabe)
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