MD MOQ human development and the levels

From: Steve Peterson (peterson.steve@verizon.net)
Date: Mon May 26 2003 - 23:33:24 BST

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    Hi Maggie,
     
    >> Has anyone already looked into the MOQ from a child development point
    >> of
    >> view that I could read in the archives? Does anyone think that this
    >> sounds
    >> like an especially good or bad project?
    >
    > I think it's a good project. One I wish I'd done.

    You still can, can't you?

    >See if this says
    > anything to you:
    >
    > http://members.iglou.com/hettingr/pirsig/CognitiveTools.html

    From Maggie's comments on the above link:
    I look at Egan's examples of "understanding" and notice that they are
    instances of what we've talked about--people's awareness within different
    evolutionary levels of PoVs, one at a time, possibly switching back and
    forth.

    Some educators are interested in these types of understanding because as a
    child develops, they see a "recapitulation" of the evolutionary process
    within the child--not that each type develops fully before moving on to the
    next, but the more primitive must exist before the higher can start to
    develop.

    The other interesting possibility I see is this: Intellectual patterns are
    stored in society.   Any static intellectual pattern that manages to be an
    "advantage" to society has to have been socialized--it has to have been
    stored in the memory banks of society.  Those sets of socialized
    intellectual patterns congeal in individual humans and are passed on by
    imitation.  

    Steve:
    I like that you've distinguished the social level of the MOQ from society.
    I was often mislead by missing this distinction when I first joined the
    list.

    When you say that an intellectual pattern has been "socialized," I now see
    this in terms of Wim's formulation of the intellectual level static latch of
    "copied rationale for behavior" rather than how I used to misinterpret such
    statements as an intellectual pattern actually becoming a social pattern,
    which is as impossible as a social pattern becoming a biological one.

    Though "intellectual patterns congeal in individual humans [society] and are
    passed on by imitation" they remain intellectual patterns.

    Maggie continued:
     Now here's the neat thing.   Modern humanity (each person) would contain an
    archeological record of the evolution of those patterns.   The very first,
    most primitive forms of intellect formed the foundations of later ones.  
    They were passed on along with the later ones, and even when later types
    were more powerful, they "use" the more primitive patterns as well.

    Steve says:
    This is a interesting idea. If I understand you correctly, not only will a
    person develop through the MoQ evolutionary levels as levels of awareness,
    we can also see the evolution of better and better intellectual patterns
    within individuals as they develop in perhaps the same order in which these
    patterns evolved.

    Thanks,
    Steve

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