MD SOM

From: Steve Peterson (peterson.steve@verizon.net)
Date: Mon Jun 09 2003 - 14:58:50 BST

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    Hi all,

    Johnny Moral said:
    > I think the problem is that sometimes people dismiss an argument as "SOM"
    > because the person made the mistake of speaking of things as if they really
    > existed, as if people really had experiences, etc. That just seems silly to
    > me - people really do have experiences, things really exist.

    Steve:
    Can anyone define SOM? Has Pirsig given a concise description anywhere?

    It seems like many of us take it to mean different things.

    The following may apply:
    LC annotation 65
    ³In the MOQ, nothing exists prior to the observation. The observation
    creates the intellectual patterns called ³observed² and ³observer.² Think
    about it. How could a subject and object exist in a world where there are
    no observations?²

    Steve:
    As I see it, SOM includes the assumption of an 'objective reality' that
    exists independent of awareness while the MOQ understanding includes this
    'objective reality' as an inference from experience--an intellectual pattern
    of value.

    Do you agree? What other characteristics of SOM thinking distinguish it
    from an MOQ understanding?

    Thanks,
    Steve

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