From: Scott R (jse885@spinn.net)
Date: Fri Sep 19 2003 - 17:53:17 BST
Bo,
[Scott prev:] I think I agree. I also think that Coleridge/Barfield's
metaphysics is
> > the one I need to work with, and not Pirsig's.
>
> Too bad, but just for curiosity's sake, is there a Coleridge/Barfield
> metaphysics? If so what is its first postulate?
Yes. The first postulate is that all that is, is as a result of "two forces
of one Power", called "free life" and "confining form". Sound familiar?
> I have myself referred to Peirce, but only that he went part of the way
> and if completed could have reached the same goal as Pirsig. You
> wrote no more about Peirce BTW.
I know. I need to understand him better before I do so, but there's other
stuff in the way.
[Scott prev:]> In any case, my interest is in the mind. Pirsig puts the mind
as the
> > fourth static level.
>
[Bo:]> He did not ..put the mind as the fourth static level .. until Lila's
Child,
> it's been a deteriorating from the original insight in ZMM where Value
> was seen as giving rise to the MIND/MATTER divide, over LILA where
> the social and intellectual levels are the subjective ones, to LC where
> he delivers the definition of intellect being synonymous with mind.
>
> You, Scott, a long-standing member and a knower of Pirsig's work
> knows this, so why zoom in on that last one which not only makes the
> MOQ a travesty but a silly one in addition? With the mind-intellect
> definition as premises your criticism may be valid, but it is not the
> TRUE MOQ.
I think I agree with others that, though he did not explicitly say so, he
nevertheless considered mind as the intellectual level while writing Lila,
i.e., his explicit statement in LC is consistent with Lila. Nevertheless, I
agree (as I have been expostulating in other posts to Paul, Platt, and DMB)
that the treatment of mind and intellect in Lila needs work. However, I
would also say that the ZAMM picture also needs work, to be provided by the
logic of contradictory identity.
- Scott
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