From: MATTHEW PAUL KUNDERT (mpkundert@students.wisc.edu)
Date: Sun Sep 21 2003 - 22:43:42 BST
Andy,
Andy said:
I will just throw a few of my pacifist views. Saving jews was justified. Stopping Hitler was justified. But anyone will have a hard time convincing me that all the acts performed by the allied armies and individuals affiliated with them was justified. Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden are a few examples of indiscriminate killing of civilians that can never be justified in my view. In this sense wars are NEVER just. War is always hell. And citizens, nations and communities all over the world glorify war. This disrespect for life and dynamic quality is a problem that will not be going away anytime soon. I don't know if we need new principles or what, but I know we need something.
Matt:
The fact that I agree with you on everything here, particulary "War is always hell", makes me think we are on the same page. I think there is a sense that war is never justified. But I think there is a sense in which it is. And as I said, "Sometimes, on rarer and rarer occasions, military action is justified." The hope of democracy is that those rarer and rarer occasions will reach a vanishing point.
Matt
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