From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Sun Sep 28 2003 - 13:35:20 BST
Andy
The more I think about education and what
it does the more depressed I feel. Does anyone learn
to think? A good couple of terms on Nietzsche would
do everyone good.
DM
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> DMB,
>
> Sorry. Sometimes I can't tell if you are being serious or not. I geuss
you
> were. Rorty is trying something different. He doesn't want to do
philosophy in
> terms of discovering truths. What he is saying is essentially (I agreed
to
> translate, but I am hesitant because I am sure something is going to be
lost in
> the translation) that knowledge is consensus among individuals in a
society.
> Hopes are the dreams of individuals in a society. These hopes can be
agreed
> upon through discussion, persuasion and consensus. Once a group has
defined its
> hopes for society, then the group can together strive to achieve these
hopes,
> rather than discovering truths. This is the best translation I can give
for
> "substituting hopes for knowlkedge." I am sorry if I sounded hostile. It
takes
> patience to try and explain ideas, especially if these ideas are not my
own.
> However, I think Matt truly gives the best translations for Rorty, so I do
wish
> you could try a little harder to understand him.
>
> On a side note, I recently began reading a book by John Taylor Gatto in
which he
> gives a persuasive indictment of the history of compulsory public
education in
> the US. John Dewey plays a large role in his critique of how our schools
were
> shaped by "scientific management" which destroyed the will of the
individual and
> made a citizenry of obedient consumers who rarely question authority. It
is a
> very sad tale. And the saddest part of all is that I, along with the rest
of
> the Americans here, lived it. It looks like I might have to rethink this
whole
> Rorty thing afterall.
>
> contemplating a retraction,
> Andy
>
> Dewey saw a sharp divide between a past where family enterprise and
individual
> effort were the main agencies of personal definition, and a future where
> institutions would do that better.
> John Taylor Gatto
>
>
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