Re: MD Truth (rational enquiry)

From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Fri Oct 24 2003 - 18:15:11 BST

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    Scott

    Do you think that some sense of 'I'
    is prior to subject-object type consciousness?
    Because consciousness if often talked about as always
    being conscious of 'some-thing'.

    regards
    David M

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Scott R" <jse885@spinn.net>
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    Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 3:15 AM
    Subject: Re: MD Truth (rational enquiry)

    > David,
    >
    > I would not try to define or describe it, just note that I can say "I am".
    I
    > may in some paradoxical way be mistaken, but then that too is
    interesting,
    > that is, I can say "I can be mistaken".
    >
    > - Scott
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "David MOREY" <us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk>
    > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 2:17 PM
    > Subject: Re: MD Truth (rational enquiry)
    >
    >
    > > Hi
    > >
    > > How are you defining describing self-consciousness?
    > >
    > > regards
    > > David M
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: "Scott R" <jse885@spinn.net>
    > > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    > > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 2:25 AM
    > > Subject: Re: MD Truth (rational enquiry)
    > >
    > >
    > > > Paul,
    > > >
    > > > > Paul:
    > > > > Yes, unlike the vocabulary of substance based metaphysics, the MOQ
    > > > > provides a vocabulary and a context in which to consider a massive
    > range
    > > > > of human experience, and this may extend to placing everyday
    activity
    > > > > into an evolutionary context.
    > > >
    > > > One feature of human experience on which the MOQ is silent is
    > > > self-consciousness. In MOQ terms, self-consciousness would need to be
    > > > expressed as some SQ being aware of itself. The difference between SQ
    > that
    > > > is aware of itself and SQ that is not is rather important, I would
    > think.
    > > > With self-consciousness, SQ (sticking to MOQ terms) has the ability to
    > > > create SQ. If one thinks of any SQ (like biological reflexes) as fixed
    > > > programs, then SQ that is aware of itself can reflect on such programs
    > and
    > > > so become a programmer. So the jump in dynamism from SQ that is not
    > aware
    > > of
    > > > itself to that which is, is a jump in kind, not degree.
    > > >
    > > > Of course, it would be simpler to just call people a mix of DQ and SQ,
    > but
    > > > the MOQ doesn't allow that.
    > > >
    > > > - Scott
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