From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Sun Nov 30 2003 - 17:38:41 GMT
Dan
Perhaps you would like to take a look
at the books of Don Cupitt because he
seems to have travelled the road from
traditional religion to a more dynamic
conception of existence. The same is also
true of Heidegger who started as a Catholic
philosopher but is very difficult and for the
philosophically inclined.
regards
David M
----- Original Message -----
From: David Buchanan
To: 'moq_discuss@moq.org'
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 6:32 PM
Subject: RE: MD MoQ and God
Dan asked:
Since reading ZMM and Lila my world has turned greatly. These books have made me feel inadequate and somewhat lost in life - as if I will never know the answers . Regardless, my question is how does MoQ apply to Catholism and any actual belief in God, or "a" God. What is "The Bible"?
[David Buchanan quotes from chapter 30 of Lila]
"If you ask a Catholic priest if the wafer he holds at mass is really the flesh of Jesus Christ, he will say yes. If you ask, "Do you mean SYMBOLICALLY?" he will answer, "No, I mean actually" Similarly if you ask Lila whether the doll she holds is a dead baby she will say yes. If you ask, "Do you mean SYMBOLICALLY?" she would also answer, "No, I mean actually." ...The main difference is that the Christian, since the time of Constantine, has been supported by huge social patterns of authority. Lila isn't. Lila's religion of one doesn't have a chance."
"Phaedrus saw nothing wrong with this ritualistic religion as long as the rituals are seen as merely a static portrayal of Dynamic Quality, a sign-post which allows socially pattern-dominated people to see Dynamic Quality. The danger has always been that the rituals, the static patterns, are mistaken for what they merely represent and are allowed to destroy the Dynamic Quality they were originally intended to preserve."
The MOQ associates religious mysticism with Dynamic Quality but it would certainly be a mistake to think that the MOQ endorses the static beliefs of any particular religious sect. Phaedrus thought sectarian religion was a static social fallout from Dynamic Quality and that while some sects had fallen less than others, none of them told the whole truth."
"From what Phaedrus had been able to observe, mystics and priensts tend to have a cat-and-dog coexistence within almost every religious organization. Both groups need each other but neither group likes the other at all. There's an adage that, "Nothing disturbs a bishop quite so much as the presence of a saint in the parish." It was one of Phaedrus' favorites. The saint's Dynamic understanding makes him unpredictable and uncontrollable, but the bishop's got a whole calandar of static ceremonies to attend to;... In all religions bishops tend to gild Dynamic Quality with all sorts of static interpretations because their cultures require it. But these interpretations become like golden vines that cling to a tree, shut out its sunlight and eventually strangle it."
"He thought about how once this integration occurs and Dynamic Quality is identified with religious mysticism it produces an avalanche of information as to what Dynamic Quality is. A lot of this religious mysticism is just low-grade 'yelping about God' of course, but if you search for the sources of it and don't take the yelps too literally a lot of interesting things turn up."
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