From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Wed Jan 07 2004 - 18:11:11 GMT
Matt:
To realists and all representationalists everywhere: No, we are not in
conversation with nature.
To critical realists and all careful rehabilitators of the conversation
metaphor: Sure, in your sense we are in conversation with nature.
Hi Matt
So you are throwing me this, it is an unfortunate position perhaps, but I'll
buy it, in fact
it what I do all the time, different person to argue with use different
devices, even take
different positions, it was good enough for Nietzsche, and it is not our
fault that there
are so many different people to argue with. So, I'll throw you something
back, I say
conversation with nature, but it is probably also fair to say that nature
causes us to change
our linguistic practices, not in a deterministic way: human beings are open
to different possibilities,
we have to make choices about which linguistic practices we are going to
adopt, we sort
of lay these out in front of nature and say you choose, and nature points at
one, a bit like
throwing a dice but due to the clear reality of static patterns, we can use
nature's answers or
causal response you could say, as indicating that this is the sort of
response we will get in the
future when doing something related or more complex. To me this is realism,
that science is
about finding linguistic means to 'make sense' and control and appreciate
the way we relate
to aspects of experience that are beyond the borders of our identity (i.e.
world). Of course,
this is all really our life-world, where our linguistic practices both
reveal and conceal the
structures of our experience. I can't understand how realism could be
anything else. Does anyone
have a version of realism they wish to put forward that is different?
Notions of objectivity do not
make much sense to me.
regards
David M
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