From: Matt poot (mattpoot@hotmail.com)
Date: Mon Feb 02 2004 - 06:02:19 GMT
>Recently I said, "To infer patterns of any kind, one must rise to the
>intellectual level since inferences are intellectual constructs." Platt
>agreed, DM disagreed. I think the disagreement concerned an implication
>that all patterns are intellectual.
-=*Poot*=- I would say that patterns exist outside of the intellect, but we
just use the intellectual term of pattern to describe a certain series of
actions, or occurences.
Mark: 31-01-04: At the sweet spot of nothingness, that point where tension
between patterns is very severe - the cutting edge of reality - is the point
from which new patterns emerge falling away from coherence, becoming static.
-=*Poot*=- Now, once these patterns become static, doe they stay static
during the present, or in the past? I think that not all patterns past the
point of perception and awareness (cutting edge) can stand to be proved as
absolutely static. By definition of the word static, we mean that it does
not change.....ever. which would make this 'static' absolute. If it is
absolute, does that not then partially define it, and restrict it? I think
that static is too ...rigid...a concept, and applying something so rigid to
our entire perception is not natural, and does not lead to things
beneficial. Even once its passed the cutting edge, and passed into
past/memory, does that neccesarily mean written in stone? Is time just a
continuos succesion of 'nows' (sweet spots) which once past, are not
susceptible to change, as being footprints..no ....breadcrumbs we have left
behind, which we then examine, and place again in front of us as patterns
and rules to follow. I think that maybe patterns go hand in hand with
rules/definitions.
-------------------Perhaps "unpatterned awareness" would make a good
substitute for
"pre-intellectual awareness," otherwise it would seem that all patterns are
intellectual by equating dynamic/static with pre-intellectual/intellectual.
What do you think?
-=*Poot*=- I would agree with unpatterned awareness. However , I think
that there is no need to replace pre-intellectual awareness( which I like to
refer as "Feeling"). If there was an unpatterned awareness, it could be
identical or similar to our idea of subconcious.
I would say that the Heirarchy of total awareness in all steps is as
follows(as relating it bewtween person, and environment (s/o?????????[SOLAQI
twist]).
(unpatterned awareness)
______________________ |
| Environment Perception |-------> UA ----->
P-IA----->CuttingEdge----->Subconcious
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
(Pre-intellectual
awareness)
What do you think?
Sincerely,
Poot
-Experience is not what has happened to a man, but what a man does with
what has happened to him.
Aldous Huxley
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