From: Steve Peterson (peterson.steve@verizon.net)
Date: Tue Mar 23 2004 - 01:17:13 GMT
>>> Platt: IMHO, the MOQ is atheistic to the core.
>
>> Here is my Matt K inspired approach to the atheist question:
>
>> Theistius: Are you an atheist?
>> Moqist: An atheist is one that asserts that there is no God. I make
>> no
>> such assertion and do not accept being labeled "atheist."
>
> Pirsig denies that one needs faith to explain the world. For quality,
> no
> faith is required because you cannot conceive or live in a world in
> which
> nothing is better than anything else.
>
I didn't mention faith, but Dictionary.com gives the following
definitions:
faith
P Pronunciation Key (f
th)
n.
1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a
person, idea, or thing.
2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.
3. Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with
one's supporters.
4. often Faith Christianity. The theological virtue defined as
secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
5. The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith.
6. A set of principles or beliefs.
I think 1,2,3, and 6 may describe your faith in the MOQ.
> When you deny the necessity to postulate the existence of God, or deny
> that faith is a valid guide to truth, you're an atheist.
No need to call me names. It's not my fault there's no God. ;-)
I don't like the atheist/agnostic/believer categories because I think
that no matter what I answer, people will get the wrong idea. I've
tried to articulate that there is a premise behind the God/no God
question that I don't want to accept by answering it.
I searched and searched but couldn't find the "Does a dog have Buddha
nature?" part of ZAMM which is appropriate here. Something like the
context of the question is too small to contain the answer. A little
help?
> "The tests of
> truth are logical consistency, agreement with experience, and economy
> of
> explanation." (Lila-8) Faith need not apply.
>
I'm with you in judging faith as a low quality intellectual pattern
when faith is taken to mean believing in a factual way despite evidence
to the contrary.
Regards,
Steve
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