From: August West (augustwestd@yahoo.com)
Date: Thu May 06 2004 - 20:41:54 BST
Matt,
your example reminds me of my friends.. they are
always late.. I have this one friend who always has a
backpack.. and always has the most ramdom things in
it..
that reminds me of a section in ZATAOMM.. Pirsig is
describing how people have faith in the sun rising and
setting.. I don't know the page number.. I wish I
did.. (if anyone knows?).. I think it was after the
Kant rap.. people have faith in this because the sun
always rises and sets.. it reoccurs every day
which brings me back to my friends.. they are always
late.. so I can take it on faith that I have time to
take a shower.. do the dishes .. eat.. watch a ball
game before they arive 2 hours later than they said.
Faith is that constant reaccuarnace.. which gets taken
as knowledge...
I am not a fan of Marx's philosophy..but.. church is
dope for the masses..
God is the whole damn thing.. quality, subects and
objects.. social,biological..organic inorganic..
how's that for a new religion?
between your ramblings and my ramblings....
...you should see me when I'm drunk..
thoughts?
-August
--- Matthew Poot <mattpoot@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > It wasn't my intention to evoke another mindless
> diatribe against one of
> > > the great thinkers of the 20th century.
> >
> > You brought up Chomsky and added an arguable
> assertion, not me.
> >
>
>
> let's get ready to
>
ruuuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmbllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
> llllllllllllllllllllllle!
>
> or not?
>
> How about, it? How, about it? How about it?
>
> How? face palms upwards
>
> about? everything
>
> it? . . . . the ever elusive it . . .
>
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------------
>
> O.K.
>
> So we have here, a thread about the religion of the
> future. I suppose this
> is a viable topic, but since there will always seem
> to be a debate between
> believers and non-believers, let us choose a
> different word than religion.
> There are many different words to choose from, but
> lets leave the word
> choosing until a time where it becomes necessary.
>
> There has been talk about basing ones "faith" or
> trust, in the irrational.
> The question I ask , in response to this, is :
>
> Is the MoQ irrati -O- nal?
>
> What is rational ? Well, religion's not rational,
> because your basing your
> belief upon something which can not be proven to
> exist, or not exist.
> Science? Well, science isn't purely rational
> anyways, and we all know it.
>
> The world, which we live in, is not rational. Why
> try and say that it is?
> Unless you look at the earth, through the dulled
> vision of someone
> interested only in pure fact (the earth is round,
> has a breathable
> atmosphere; animals breathe the air ---> rational)
>
> What is rational about our current world? We
> humans like to think were
> rational beings, but thats a load of crap.
> People on one side of the world, are living in
> wasteful prosperity, while
> others are struggling to exist.
> The real world, which takes place within the
> confines of our skull, isn't
> bound by rational thoughts .
> Sometimes, completely irrational behaviour is
> enacted, with full awareness,
> yet it is still done.
> This behavoiur is highlighted in what we call
> "childish" acts, but is ever
> present in the adult life.
>
> I believe that being rational is important.....but
> to expect reality to be
> drawn in the rein of rationality......I cannot
> accept this, and I doubt that
> those on this forum wish for pure reason.
>
> Why seek to live in pure rationality? Rationality
> is not reality.
> Why seek to define? Definition is not reality.
> Why seek to organize that which should be
> disorganized?
> Why seek to complicate things endlessly with wars
> of words?
>
> Aim to understand, to understand aim. Understand,
> to aim.
>
> (for a brief moment....understand left my vocabulary
> and I was lost...)
>
>
>
> back to it, faith is important. Faith is , to me,
> important, for many
> reasons. I shall give an example, of my faith.
> In the example of a dialogue
> --------------------
> Poot: so where is he?
> Rob: I dont know....he's always late!
> Poot: I wonder what could possibly be keeping him
> Rob: it's starting to piss me off.....always
> waiting
> Poot: yeah...i hate waiting...
> ---time elapses with discussions---
> Poot: Oh...I think he's here! go get the door
> Rob get up, goes to door.
> Jason: oh man......sorry I'm late guys...I was held
> up longer than I
> expected...
> Rob: how come you were held up?
> Jason: Its a long story
> Rob: alright....lets just get ready to go then.
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<FAITH
> ------------------
>
> This faith, is Rob's trust in his friend Jason.
>
> There seems to me, to be a part of human behaviour,
> which displays itself as
> incessant questioning...
>
> its like someone constantly rearranging the
> furniture...if you never take
> the time to sit in the chair and enjoy it, theres no
> point in ever putting
> it there.
>
>
> So, I don't really know what the point of this
> thread is, except to expose
> my ramblings. I dont know what more to say at this
> point besides:
>
> ... ... ...
> YOU tell ME what you THINK
>
>
>
> POOT
>
>
>
>
>
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