From: Mark Steven Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Wed Jun 09 2004 - 14:56:28 BST
On 8 Jun 2004 at 4:00, SWZwick@aol.com wrote:
The critiques of polling may be valid, but this might be a little off
the mark. I have extensive contact with people in Basra, and the one
thing they do have now is free speech, especially when it comes to
criticizing the occupation.
msh says:
This may be true. I'd be interested in knowing more about your
contacts. The point is, that if we look hard enough, any of us can
come up with contacts, sources, polls to support our points of view.
Just watch Al Jazeera, rather than CNN.
Anyway, talk of polls, though interesting, is a digression from the
primary point of contention. NONE of us are saying that Iraq will
not be better off without Saddam. What we are protesting is the
false justifications for, and brutal means of, removing the dictator,
a means TOTALLY at odds with world opinion. My claim is that other
less extreme means were available, and were ignored. And even if
invasion was the only answer... Well, Adam put it beautifully:
"Personally, what concerns me is not so much that Iraq was invaded,
but that it was done outside of the UN framework, and as such sets a
dangerous precedent. The UN is far from perfect, but it's still the
closest thing (albeit, not very) to global democracy. ... So if
Saddam (and he was) was a dictator who imposed his will without the
consent of the people, what is the US doing on an International
scale? The same thing it seems to me. ... Ever heard
of the 'Project for a New American Century'? Google it for more
info, they are having it all their way.. Scary.. I would rather live
in a world governed by a democratic body of nations, than by PFNAC's
'American Leadership'.."
Best to all,
Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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