From: Ian Glendinning (ian@psybertron.org)
Date: Thu Jun 24 2004 - 00:26:43 BST
Thanks Horse.
You have my support.
Ian Glendinning
----- Original Message -----
From: "Horse" <horse@darkstar.uk.net>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 8:51 PM
Subject: MD The Final Cut
> Before I start I just want to point out that whatever I say on this
subject I know I'm going
> to upset someone - possibly everyone - so I'm not going to take this into
account. If you
> don't like what I've got to say then that's just tough luck!
>
> To Paul Vogel:
> Either cut the crap or get out. One more racist comment and I'll remove
you. And don't
> even bother giving me any sanctimonious crap about censorship and the MoQ
as I'm
> entirely familiar with anything you may have to say on the subject. You
have no interest
> in the MoQ whatsoever - your only intent is to promote the racist messages
of
> cosmotheism and you aren't going to use this list to do that. This is your
one and only
> warning.
>
> To the rest of you:
> What the hell are you doing? Over the last few weeks this list has
degenerated into a
> name-calling arena and it's going to stop. Are any of you seriously going
to try and
> defend the utter garbage that's been appearing of late?
> "He did this to me so I'm only doing it back"
> "Well he started it so don't blame me"
> "You're a fascist"
> "You're a commie"
> Blah, Blah, Blah.
> Grow up already. I'm not trying to stop valid criticisms and observations
but most of
> what's been happening recently is pathetic. And this is aimed at both
sides of the
> political divide. Step back, take a deep breath and translate into MoQ.
Then continue
> without the name calling. Also remember this is an international
discussion list not a
> USA only list. I really don't want to hear any more
commie/fascist/social-marxist or any
> other form of name calling. It's entirely inappropriate and pointless. If
you can't make a
> point without an insult then go away and meditate (or whatever) until you
can. The MoQ
> doesn't need insults and name-calling and neither does the MD list.
>
> The rules of the moq_discuss forum are quite plain and are reproduced
below. I've also
> added some relevant comments afterwards so please read them:
>
>
> RULES OF THE FORUM
> 1) As a minimum requirement for joining the MOQ_DISCUSS mailing list
members must
> have read LILA: An Inquiry into Morals by Robert M. Pirsig.
>
> 2) All topics and discussions must be relevant to the Metaphysics of
Quality in general
> or some particular aspect of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: An
Inquiry into
> Values or LILA.
>
> 3) Each member should limit the number of posts they submit to a maximum
of four per
> day.
>
> 4) Members should reproduce only the relevant parts of any previous
message to which
> they are responding.
>
> 5) Contributors should reproduce the Subject line of the thread/discussion
to which they
> are replying.
>
> 6) Where possible, posts should be restricted to plain text - no HTML,
Rich Text (RTF)
> or other formats should be used.
>
> 7) Posts may not contain attachments, gifs or other documents except by
arrangement
> with the list administrator. MOQ_DISCUSS should not be used as a file
transfer or
> document exchange service. Use FTP or the Web (put your file/document on
the Web
> and mail the list its URL).
>
> 8) Members should refrain from swearing, using offensive language and
personal
> attacks on other members. Abuse, in any form, will not be tolerated.
>
>
> Rules 1, 3 & 5 will be ignored as long as posts are of value to the forum
and don't break
> the other rules.
>
> Rule 2 can be interpreted widely but no so widely that posts are entirely
irrelevant to the
> MoQ. You're intelligent folk so use that intelligence. If it's not about
the MoQ then why
> are you posting it on the list?
>
> Rule 4 should be observed in order to reduce bandwidth and be relevant.
Don't
> reproduce an entire post just to add 1 line - just reference the author,
time and date
> (and/or URL if it's in the archives).
>
> Rule 6 is only really important where the use of HTML causes the post to
go over the
> 12KByte limit. If this happens and your post is bounced to me because of
this then don't
> expect it to make it through to the list. If you use HTML in your email
and a post doesn't
> make it then turn off the HTML. Do not split it into several parts and
make several posts
> of it. Not everyone has broadband and huge wasteful posts are a real pain.
Some
> mailing systems (AOL is one such) assume a default of HTML mail. This can
be turned
> off with little effort from Version 9 onwards. Just RTFM
>
> Rule 7 is self-evident but also includes long narratives of dubious value
which will also
> be considered as attachments - we've had a lot of these recently. In most
cases a URL
> reference can be used. If it can then please do so. If in doubt check with
me.
>
> Rule 8 will from here on be enforced by removals and suspensions. There
is, in most
> cases, no reason to be abusive and certainly no need to act in the way
many have been
> acting of late. This will also include deliberate wind-ups which are
designed to do
> nothing but annoy others. If you want to be involved in a serious
discussion about the
> MoQ then this is the place to be - if you want to be an annoying twerp
then go and do it
> some place else.
>
> I'm sure that in most cases from now on where rules get broken it will not
be deliberate
> so polite warnings will be given - privately not publicly - but if members
continue to
> ignore both the rules and warnings then they will be suspended for a
period which will
> vary according to the circumstances. If it continues then those members
will be
> permanently removed.
>
> I am making no apologies for any of the above. If you don't like what I
have to say or feel
> that I am being unreasonably harsh then feel free to unsubscribe. I would
rather that
> than for members to continue posting the sort of garbage that has been
appearing of
> late. If you want to comment on the above then make it brief and relevant
or I will simply
> ignore it - and don't bother trying to wind me up with smartass comments
'cos it won't
> work.
>
> As a final point I'd just like to comment on the "should racism be banned
from the forum"
> thread. My answer is a definite yes. You'll find the reasons quite plainly
in Lila.
> Discussions about racism are fine as long as they don't degenerate into a
slagging off
> exercise, but racist comments and racism are a different matter.
Discussions about
> almost anything MoQ-related is OK abuse is not OK
>
>
> Horse
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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