RE: MF Money

From: David Buchanan (DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org)
Date: Thu Jun 10 2004 - 06:30:02 BST

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    Howdy focs:

    MarshaV respectfully axed:
    Why is money of low value? It seems to me, it's the individuals (or
    societies) relationship with money that can move from level to level. As
    an individual, shouldn't I try to move my relationship with money into the
    intellectual level. That would mean I pay attention to its affects and
    make conscious decisions based on my intent? What is money? Isn't it like
    energy, rather than a pattern? I apologize if my questions are too
    simplistic.

    dmb says:
    Exactly. We buy what we value and this can never be pinned down or
    predicted. This is what the socialist and capitalists never really figured
    out, as Pirsig tells it. The economy is a dynamic creature because people
    have wildly different and ever-changing ideas about what has value. An ideal
    free market would be a perfect reflection of what people really value. (I
    suspect the results would not be pretty.) But as Marsha suggests, there is a
    moral dimension to money. This is true by many standards, and within the
    MOQ, where all of reality is a moral order, the earning and spending of
    money is nothing by a moral decision.

    Are you gonna buy some candy and porn or spend your money on some juice and
    a philosophy book? Do you earn a living selling crack to children? Making
    bombs? Poisoning the world? Or do you earn a living fighting those who do?
    And we have laws against vice because we very well know that people tend to
    value low level things a bit too much. Like booze and hookers, for example.
    Every cent that passes through our hands matters in ways large and small.
    And the issues get more subtle than my ham-handed examples might imply.

    There is also the social/intellectual conflict and the rest of the moral
    codes. I'm reminded of Pirsig's comments about Thorsten Veblen's THEORY OF
    THE LEISURE CLASS and also his comments about his frat brothers "selling
    out" to the chemical companies.

    And I'm thinking of Lila's desperate attempts to get fed and stay dry
    without money in Manhattan. (The place is really quite hellish for those
    without money - and lots of it.)

    I suppose the best a capitalist saint could hope for is to get very wealthy
    by making the world better and then give it all away to improve the world
    even further. Maybe some future Jill Gates will earn a trillion dollars by
    developing toxic clean-up technology and she'll spend her vast fortune on
    food, medicine, libraries, museums and such.

    Thanks,
    dmb

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