Re: MF Topic for September 2005

From: Erin (
Date: Thu Sep 08 2005 - 20:50:51 BST

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    I think that there it is easier for me to approach these questions as
    free-thinking and cultish thinking as a continuum of different types of
    thinking. It is hard to answer yes/no to this being a cult or classifying
    whether members are "free-thinkers" or "cult members" because the discussions
    seem to be like a roller coaster with its highs and lows.

    So I tried to distinguish what the qualitative difference between free-thinking
    and cultish thinking was.and what came to mind was this article on 8/31 onion
    website title " Google announces plan to destroy all information it can't index"
    Executives at Google, the rapidly growing online-search company that promises to
    "organize the world's information," announced Monday the latest step in their
    expansion effort: a far-reaching plan to destroy all the information it is
    unable to index. "Our users want the world to be as simple, clean, and
    accessible as the Google home page itself," said Google CEO Eric Schmidt at a
    press conference held in their corporate offices. "Soon, it will be."

      I think why this came to mind because I think that sometimes in discussions
    there is an attempt to limit information /vocabulary. I think this comes
    from the same sentiment in the article above "Our users want the world to be as
    simple, clean, and accessible ," There is something very appealing about the
    simplicity/elegance of the MoQ but I think that DQ must involve some messiness.
    When you close off information/vocabulary in the discussions you are closing the
    door on DQ.

    As for the relation of devotion to free thinking I think being devoted Pirsig
    has increased my freethinking. I think devotion can lead to freethinking if it
    is devotion to high quality values. His thinking struck me as high quality and
    so trying to see things through his perspective has helped evolved my
    perspective. Not all devotion leads to free thinking of course..e.g. a)if you
    don't recognize that these books are from Pirsig's perspective and are works of
    art b) if you are devoted to an author for social (his fame) or biological


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