LS Re: mediation


Hettinger (hettingr@iglou.com)
Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:32:58 +0100


Magnus Berg wrote:

> Maggie wrote:
> > Is mediation a useful concept? Does it help anybody?
>
> Indeed it does! Especially when you say:
> > When a pattern in any level experiences an interaction with a higher
>
> > level pattern or a Dynamic Quality Event, the lower level pattern is
>
> > changed (in substance or direction).
>
> It seems to me that too many are still focused on that DQ has to be
> the agent involved when a step up the static ladder is to be made.
> Mediation from an already existing higher level works just as good,
> and I also think that the lower level's experience of the change is
> equal, regardless of the agent involved.
>
> I also appreciate your examples. They are a little less constructed
> than mine and probably more accessible to most. But beware of DQ
> sneaking in here and there. That's mostly why I try to avoid real
> life examples, they are too crowded with DQ influence. And I guess
> I'm not quite ready for that yet. First I have to figure out SQ.
>
> As to my thoughts about AI. I think I should brief you on my current
> view on that. I really think that computers are topmost intellectual
> patterns of value. No DQ in sight though, we have ruled that out on
> the electrical level. The social patterns are the composition of the
> components in a computer and the different parts are the organs built
> using inorganic patterns. The intellectual level are supported by the
> language between the organs, the electrical language.
>
> Another very interesting thing in a computer are the ones and zeros.
> I think those are inorganic patterns supported by the computer in
> the same way our inorganic patterns are supported by a lower level.
> The ones and zeros in turn are used by organic patterns (subroutines,
> objects (ha ha :-)) and they are in turn used by the social level,
> the programs.
>

The concept of fractals comes to mind here. We have these (four?) major
streams of (growth, life) that MoQ labels Inorg, biol, soc,
intellectual. They grow out of each other. At the juncture of
departure from the lower level, there is a function of support by the
lower level (consistent direction toward static level Quality), as well
as the function of opposition (originally towards Dynamic Quality, but a
new static Quality once it is set).

The streams have another kind of effect on each other, like
gravitational attaction or like the pull of one current on another. The
existence of a new level affects the direction of all the other levels
as well.

Within each of these major streams (except perhaps inorganic), there are
other streams, like multiple strands in a rope, having within them the
same types of interactions and shapes, being "pulled" away from the
stream's center (static Quality) by the quality, or "pulled" The
thicker the rope, the stronger the pull.

This "pull" is, I believe, the same concept as mediation, but in this
image of streams and ropes, "mediation" sounds silly.

Your example of the computer seems to me to be a rope in the
intellectual stream, having its own full set of levels within itself.
Do you think so?

I have to go teach. I feel a little guilty about popping off things
like this. I start to make a simple, straightforward observation, and
end up drawing pictures in the air. In any other situation I would
hold off and not send this, but believing that Dynamic Quality often
appears as "spur of the moment", I'll just say thanks to you for
triggering this stuff, and let it stand.

I have to leave NOW.

Later,

Maggie

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