Magnus Berg (qmgb@bull.se)
Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:28:04 +0100
Hi Lila Squad!
> this simple test: If one intelligence (a human being) cannot
> distinguish between a "program" and another human being (both out of
> sight and communicating through print) the conclusion is: THERE IS NO
> DIFFERENCE!.
First of all, this communication channel used would cripple a HI
and force him to statically intellectualize all that he wants to
communicate to the receiver. The communication almost strips all
DQ away, which makes the two "competitors" much more equal.
Secondly, I didn't think you considered one human to have an
intellect, I thought you thought humans were just biological.
> Magnus sounds exasperated over his inability to make
> himself understood to me, and refers to intuition,fantasy,
> inspiration and association as intelligence's hallmarks (I could add
> a few more, particularly humour as the most typical human
> characteristic), but if also these can be "simulated" how do you tell
> that it is artificial? This was Türings problem, and he decided it
> couldn't, it's no use appealing to common sense (I just foresee it).
We can't rationally tell DQ apart from simulated DQ because when we
intellectualize them, they become the same.
> Magnus says that Türing wasen't aware of the Dynamic Quality, but
> doesn't DQ reside as comfortably in a digital circuit as in the brain
> cell of a human being?
I don't think so. We made our best to rule DQ out in digital
ciruits. DQ is there alright, but it has no chance to affect
the circuit so much to make a one out of a zero or vice versa.
The reason we did rule it out is because we don't want it! We
want a computer to be absolutely static and predictable. I think
true AI would mean letting go of that control and that could,
as many science fiction movies and Platt tells us, be dangerous.
Dangerous to *us* that is, not to DQ!
> I think life can be faked (as Magnus once called it) and so can
> intelligence; it is only "artificial" regarding the material
> involved. What if it becomes possible to grow neural tissue?
To grow neural tissue would mean letting go of absolute control and
predictability.
> No, we
> must keep the Intellect of the MOQ apart from intelligence. Arent
> animals smart?
Yes! and Yes!
And Bo, good luck with the new house.
Magnus
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