LS Re: Intelligence vs Intellect.


Magnus Berg (qmgb@bull.se)
Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:05:59 +0100


Hi Bo!

Bodvar Skutvik wrote:
>
> The big divide in the MOQ is between dynamic and static, and even if
> Intellect is the best and freest, it is STATIC all the same. The
> (Berg/Renselle!) theory of constant interaction with Dynamic Quality
> in the quantum states of the brain is an introducti of the SOM-mind
> again, and foreign to the MOQ.

I think I'll have to correct you here. When I said that the human
intellect involves a lot of DQ, I didn't mean it the way you
described it. Of course the intellectual level is static, but
since the human intellect is on the evolutionary path it is
very sensitive to DQ. But so are patterns of all levels on the
same path.

> Finally. I just received a preliminary draft for a doctoral thesis
> by a Swedish student (Robert Pallbo from Malmö) who has created what
> he calls "a new model of the mind" built on the Autopoesis idea and
> Pirsig (according to him). We have corresponded of and on for a
> couple of years, but a disagreement developed over much the same
> issue as with Magnus (Pallbo's claim was that mind was brain's
> workings and not "social") Still, his latest paper amazed me greatly.
> In it he inverts the usual concept where mind is considered ordered -
> or bringing order - and the world chaotic. His new idea is the other
> way round: Mind is dynamic while the world is ordered! I will have to
> think how this fits into the MOQ scheme. He still upholds the
> mind/world dualism admittedly, ut hardly in the ordinary sense, and
> it struck me intuitively: Isn't this Pirsig's claim too? Reality (the
> world) is ordered in four discrete levels, while "mind" is everything
> and nothing; another way of calling it chaotic or dynamic.
> Whatever its merits, it shows what tremendous pressure is building to
> escape from SOM's chains.

I trust you've invited him to join us, sounds fun. But I'm a little
doubtful about this mind - reality idea. Without having read more
than the above, it sounds like mind - matter to me. I'd love to read
the thesis when it's ready BTW.

        Magnus

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